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zero129 on 09 September 2023
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Chazore said:
zero129 said:

Did Ms do that to them?. I mean Redfall was in development before Ms even owned them. So i understand Beth, but what has MS done so far that no other company is doing thats driving away devs?, how are they forcing live service or cash shops down people's faces when pretty much all their biggest games in development atm is single player games?. Is the a reason for why you are singling out Ms instead of say Sony or Nintendo or someone else?.

Those at the top of Arkane, and for MS not dropping the project when MT's and the like had been baked in from the start. 


The devs didn't like it, they knew it wasn't going to be good, those at the top of Arkane didn't listen, they just wanted their golden parachute (which I guess they got, because they're gone as well). 


The problem Luke brings up, is that if you make a game from the ground up with MT's and a cash shop, XP boosters, gear boosters and all that jazz, and then you remove it, it is impossible to fully remove and make what should have been there in the first place.

I know exactly what he means, because I still feel it to this day whenever I play Diablo 3 (That game featured a real money auction house, which has been removed for years, but the foundations are still there, still fractured because they created that game with that house in mind). 

No one's singling out MS here, it's that Redfall released this year. If you go check out these two guys:

Joe, a PC gamer: https://www.youtube.com/@JoeFromSeattle/videos

Muda: https://www.youtube.com/@SomeOrdinaryGamers/videos

You can see those two aren't singling out MS, if anything those two are mostly on Sony/Nintendo's back half the time they talk about video games. Don't forget Zero, MS isn't your friend, it deserves no "swan song", no pause to give nothing but praise, they are still a trillion dollar company after all. 

They also didn't push for Bethesda to get with the times to have them drop Creation engine for something more modern, and still release that game in it's state.

Trust me dude, and i dont mean this in any bad way, but i dont need you to tell me that. I was looking forward to this game way before Ms ever owned them, hell why would i not when i was such a big fan of all their other games except for FO70?. This game for me delivers in every way, its the most polished game they ever released. I can only imagine what mods are going to bring also and thats where the fun is with Beth games and its why so many PC gamers are into them. so why that opinion should change for some PC gamers now that Ms own them i think show more of their colors then anyone elses. ( thats not directed at you btw).

But i know where your problem with the game comes from is a few down votes you got for saying how "Beth are doing nothing new with this game" or something like that. no point in holding that in not everyone is going to agree with that on the bases its a new IP alone.. You seemed to always enjoy their games before so i dont understand why you wouldnt enjoy this one.