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Lol, if true, can't say I am surprised after RDNA 3. Honestly I think while chiplet design was the saving grace of Ryzen, it was a death nail for Radeon. For the CPU space, Intel was too cocky and their foundries hit a brick wall struggling to advance past 14nm with good yields. They also had very short socket support. While first gen Ryzen wasn't competitive in gaming at the top end, the i5 7600 4 core 4 thread vs ryzen 5 1600 ended up being in ryzens favor as games became more multi-threaded optimized. Because Intel had a bad rep of continuously producing quad cores for like 4-5+ years, people really wanted something new in the CPU space and with promises of 2020 socket support and being a ton more power efficient, a lot of people were willing to bite despite some initial issues.

With Radeon, that unique advantage that Ryzen was providing is simply not there. MCM as stated by AMD themselves did not have enough bandwidth between the interconnects to make multi-die GCDs work with gaming. So they settled with MCDs instead. But all this R&D spending into making MCM designs work clearly resulted into other issues. The GCD isn't all that performant compared to a 4090 while a 6900XT could take on a 3090 in Raster from a previous gen. They needed to make a separate driver branch (according to yuzu devs) specifically for RDNA 3 likely because of MCM design while RDNA 2 and the rest are all on a unified driver branch. And RDNA 3 is very inefficient despite being on the same node as ADA and it has abnormally high idle power as you increase the resolution/hz and the number of monitors. And of course, the software stack is no where near as comprehensive. We are still waiting for FSR 3 9 months after it was announced while FSR 2 is losing to XeSS.

And worst of all, because of all those issues, reviewers dunked on RDNA 3 pretty hard which resulted in discounts very quickly which means all those savings likely went out the window. I think if they stuck with Monolith design like Nvidia and continued their trajectory they started with RDNA 2, this generation would have been a lot more competitive imo.

Instead, 4090 will likely be the 1080 Ti of this generation even if it's expensive as 5000 prices will likely be going through the roof.

Yeah its clear they have bitten off more they can chew. Whether its from the overly complex engineering that trickled down to the rest of the product; the software down to its marketing. I just feels like they are scrambling this generation. I mean they can't even be bothered to release the rest of the stack (under Navi 31) because of how little progress they've made, so they're just trying to extract as much money as they can from us consumers by selling off the rest of their old stock. And the features announced like you say are still mia like FSR 3 seem like a knee-jerk reaction and the longer they take to release, the more incompetent they look. Heck, FSR was late, as was FSR 2 and now 3. And that's not even looking at how they perform.

Its all so messy. But yeah its a massive L from RTG with RDNA 3. Probably would've been better off just iterating on RNDA 2 since that works and just add a few things and put on a new node and acheived similar or better results. Ironically most likely would've been more efficient at least in idle and in lesser demanding games and loads.

Maybe going after the mid range is the smarter move as they know its going to be a David vs Goliath situation regardless if the next architecture is competitive idk. I think going for the value focused mid-range may be the better move for them. But its also going to be shit because Nvidia aren't going to be pressured into releasing as good GPU's they can for us consumers in the mid range, heck even high end (not flagship). Feels like the CPU situation in the 2000's when Intel had no equal, prior to Ryzen's release.

And yeah the 4090 though highly priced is a very decent offering and by far the most worthwhile GPU in a long time, considering its specs and performance. That will easily stand the test of time. And considering its success its sucessor will be quite a bit more expensive.

Yea exactly. Least on the bright side, the mid-range should be getting very competitive with RDNA 4 and Battlemage all targeting it. From $100-$500 gpu class has been pretty horrid so if Radeon is going to focus in that area, then they will be going back to Volume over Margins which in turn should hopefully mean Polaris vs Pascal era for entry level to mid-range. Maybe we will get the old 480 vs 1060 of competitiveness but now with a 3rd player in that segment. The rest of the lineup above that will be Nvidia's territory and with the Ai boom, yea I can't see Nvidia being to kind to our wallets going forward lol.

Who knows, when PS6 launches, maybe Radeon will have another go at the high end. Hopefully they don't goof it up then.