Pemalite said:
episteme said:
Damn a $399 8G 4060 Ti marketed for 1080p with reduced settings in the official benchmarks doesn't sound exciting at all.
There shouldn't be new 8GB cards anymore, especially not if you market their DLSS3 and RT capabilities which both consume more VRAM. 12GB for 1080p, 16GB for 1440p and 24GB for 4K imo.
At least the used market has somewhat recovered. Like 3060s 12GB dropping well below 250€ for example.
There may still be some issues with production costs because AMD doesn't counter nVidia's overpriced mid-range yet. Or everyone just got used to the margins that were possible when large-scale GPU mining was still a thing. |
The memory bus is likely the reason why you won't see anything between 8GB and 16GB with the 4060.
The 3060 had a 192-bit bus so it had an oddball memory capacity. - Basically you get a chunk of memory for every 32bit portion of the bus.
I.E. 2GB of Ram for every 32-bit of memory bus. 192bit = 12GB.
So when the 4060 runs with a 128bit bus, it was naturally going to have less memory as they are still partnering up with 2GB for every 32bit or 8GB/128bit total.
So when it came to throwing more memory onto the card they had two options... Double the amount of memory chip capacity (I.E. 4GB) for every 32bit for 16GB total...
Or have two memory chips for every chunk of memory bus. - It does mean that the memory chips aren't being access at their maximum potential transfer rates as the transfer is spread across 2 chips now... And you do require more power and PCB tracers which drives up costs.
This is just an example, but it's why you won't get say 12GB or 14GB on the 4060 with a 128bit bus... And when they have deviated from this general design rule, it had massive implications to performance.
1080P Medium/High doesn't really sell the 4060 though, agree with you there... But there is also a place for 8GB cards, those who just want to play eSports would likely be fine with that amount of memory capacity, but the price needs to reflect that. |
Yeah, with 128 bit you always have 4, 8, 16, etc I think. It seems like the 4060 Ti 16GB model just has double the amount of memory chips (8x2GB) and no other difference. 4GB chips don't exist yet. I could be wrong here, but I think the 128 bit bus only exists for the 8GB model that it can only use 4 chips. If they only had the 16GB model, it could be 256 bit, but it would be too good compared to the 4070 models.
8GB are fine for the cheap RX 6600 series and if you have an old 8GB card you don't have to upgrade immediately, but a new one for $399 is crazy imo.
Similar for the 4070 Ti with 12GB at $799, it's fine now, but not a good investment into the future.
