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Chazore said:

RDNA 2 wasn't really much of a Zeus moment. We've seen their GPU's for years be "okay". I hardly hear much about AMD's 980ti variant or even 1080ti, it's always been cards like those that were held in high regard, or hell, even the first batch of Titan cards. AMD's Zeus moment was more like years prior to that, and they haven't really taken much back since.

Yes but those discounts should be general lower prices. The discounts are also mostly based on retailers having to cut that loss, not nvidia, that's what I'm getting at with their "cock sure" pricing. Like it's cool we see a few discounts now, but why couldn't we have had this from the start, or hell, last gen or the gen before that?.

I see plenty of folks on youtube suggesting to turn on DLSS, even for benchmarking metrics I see suggested "performance mode" for those with lower tier cards, or quality for those with higher ones. it's not just a marketing gimmick that can be safely ignored, it's one of their biggest features and they make this abundantly clear in their boasted performance bar charts they keep spamming per game release or update. It's not something so small, it's a big deal, but it's a big deal that just so happens to be an undeniable band-aid.

I wouldn't exactly count D4 as a steal of a game, considering this is Blizz we're talking about, with a game that has a BP and cosmetic shop, where most of it's lead staff left before the game went gold, where all sorts of crap is going on at the company, I wouldn't even dream of holding D4 to any standard. Yes it looks shiny for a game, but I care more about the fact that staff are leaving, PVE on OW2 being cancelled, Staff not being allowed to work from home, it all gets super soured, and just because that doesn't affect you now, doesn't mean it won't later (like it did for me and WoW for 2 expacs in a solid row, and I hated it so much).

You want to know the main reason why I'm harping on DLSS so hardcore?, it's because I know Nvidia relies on tech from time to time, then it gets ditched for something else soon after, not 10-15yrs later, like we had done for previous tech advancements. Hairworks for example was lauded all the time I saw it, yet it ran like absolute ass on multiple cards and in the end, it was never really refined to a point where it could be baked in and not cause massive perf degradation. 

I also look at DLSS the same I look at ppl claiming AI will replace VA's, and I know neither should really become a reality, because that's hoping for a short term crux for a problem that didn't even need to exist in the first place. We need VA's for all sorts of media, just like we need actual dedicated hardware instead of an AI "smartly" moving shit about, and then when it's disabled, shit goes to hell.

We can look at regular brute force perf, but it's still shit when you look at what fake frames and slightly higher latency gets you. The brute force should be where DLSS is at, not the other way around, because this means regular brute forcing will now stay behind indefinitely, because of the reliance on DLSS. 

If people didn't care for DLSS, they'd go for AMD. You talk about all these "cherry on top" bonuses, but at the same time you're bigging them up to being goliath techs, but "not needed", like which is it my dude?. if it's nowhere near as important (objectively speaking here, objectively) as you try to make it out to be, then we can all just go AMD, but then you're likely to use the brute force argument, to which I go "DLSS results are better, now what?".

I can't help but feel like this is Steam in regards to Epic, like nvidia is with AMD, only Nvidia hasn't really been as clean as Steam was, compared to the stuff Epic has been doing since they flat out abandoned us for yrs, came back and pulled all this shit.

Epic isn't trying because they never cared for competition, they actually mocked us when they left the platform and came back in such a childish and arrogant manner. AMD isn't doing that, AMD just doesn't have the capital or mindshare Nvidia has, so what hope on gods earth do you have to topple all of that in one generation? (You can't, you absolutely cannot tell me with a straight face that shit is going to magically change next gen, because it hasn't for 3-4 gens now Yuri, don't tell me it will).

Tech like DLSS is not needed in the sense that Nvidia GPUs can hold their ground against Radeon using brute force without them. Radeon isn't giving you significantly better brute force capabilities in majority of the price ranges. So if the brute force capabilities is similar in most of the price ranges, then you look at well, what other features do each of these GPU vendors have that will sway them to give me their money. And that is where the cherry on top features like DLSS, Ray Tracing and Reflex comes into play because Radeon is worse in all 3 areas. Now if you don't care about those 3 features, then go buy AMD. But when push comes to shove and people are thinking which new GPUs to buy, they would rather get more features if the brute force performance is similar enough.

Also AMD ditches tech too. You mentioned Hairworks from Nvidia but do you remember TressFX from AMD which was the competitor to Hairworks? Neither does AMD. So saying only Nvidia ditches tech years after is pointless cause so does AMD and every other company. Eventually DLSS will also go away. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft come out with an open source version of a tech similar to DLSS eventually which will kill any reason for Nvidia to continue to support it since it will work on their GPUs along with Radeon GPUs and Intel GPUs. But who knows how many years it till take to come out so it has little to no relevance to people buying GPUs now if the tech comes out say 6 years from now. And when that happens, Nvidia will have some new feature to sway buyers.

And idk if you have been living in a cave last gen but there weren't any discounts for neither Nvidia or Radeon thanks to the crypto boom. Then once that ended, both companies gave discounts near the end of the generation. Granted AMDs discounts were bigger but Nvidia still had discounts none the less. And the gen before that also saw plenty of discounts.

I am not too sure why you keep blaming only Nvidia for using DLSS in their marketing but for whatever reason, you are ignoring the fact that Radeon is also using FSR significantly in their marketing. In my view, I see both Nvidia and Radeon being shit companies just that Nvidia gives more features (and in the case of the 4090, significantly more brute force) while Radeon doesn't hence why I recommend them.

I also don't have any hopes that AMD will topple Nvidia this console gen. That's why I came to the conclusion that the market this console gen for PC GPUs will largely be fucked. Hence why I went out there and bought a 4090 with the crypto money I got. Cause if Radeon is on a downwards trend and Intel is too far behind, may as well get a 4090 in my case and just ride the waves.