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Bofferbrauer2 said:

Captain_Yuri said:

But the bigger question I have is where is the rest of RDNA 3s lineup? All Radeon released is 7900XTX/XT and soon the 7600? From providing an alternative to Nvidia at every GPU class with RDNA 2, they seem to be only picking certain categories while continuing to produce RDNA 2 to fill in the gaps for the rest? I am not much of a power guy but there is something to be said for a mid range buyer to consider say a 6950XT which is a really big and power hungry GPU with triple 8 pin vs a small 4070 powered by a single 8 pin. If AMD would release a 7700XT with 16GB of Vram that is similar in power and size to a 4070 along with the benefits of RDNA 3, that would make the decisions better imo.

My guess is that AMD was forced to launch the 7900 GPUs way too early in an unfinished state to be able to compete with NVidia, hence all it's problems both in hardware and software and why there's something like an RDNA3+. So they are refining the chips while they still can (as in, while they still have RDNA2 GPUs of similar performance in stock) to iron out the problems and possibly gain an edge against NVidia while they can. 'm sure 7500/7700/7800 branded cards will also come at a later date but as long as they have the corresponding RDNA2 GPUs in stock, it's probably not in AMD's best interest to launch them too soon.

Well if that is the case, then the clock is ticking cause Blackwell could come out next year.

Chazore said:

Captain_Yuri said:

Well visually it may not be as amazing as cyberpunk but it does have RTGI and all that so it still runs very heavy. Remember that Path Tracing can kill a 4090 even on a game like Portal. And if you want to see how it performs without Ray Tracing, all you gotta do is look at a 3070 performance cause that's all it is at a lower power consumption and Ada features.

I think Nvidia is just largely banking on the fact that Radeon largely isn't competing this gen so if a person wants to upgrade to something new and shiny, Nvidia is essentially the only choice sub $800. You can get RDNA 2 but a lot of the stack is similar in Raster performance to Lovelace with nearly double the power consumption and worse Ray Tracing and less features. Even the vram argument is iffy now since a 4060 Ti now has 16GB. And if the GPUs don't sell, they will allocate the stock towards the enterprise Ai craze where Microsoft and other companies keeps ordering their gpus in packs of 10,000.

Not really that surprised, but also not really that "wow" at the 3070, when I just noticed my 1080ti there, a 3 gen old card, managing 132fps (I was expecting a 3 gen newer card to do better on a game like Witcher 3, without the RT).

I've had this thought for some yrs now that Nvidia simply doesn't want to be much in the market for consumer GPU's now (We've seen this in AI self driving cars, the Cloud and other tech firms, hell even Nintendo), so it's not all that surprising to see them bank on crypto bros, then immediately jump o banking on AI bros and MS, instead of coming back to us.

I don't see AMD competing in a way that will get Nvidia to suddenly care again, they've shown us some time ago that they've stopped, they'll pull a Konami and leave one day, just watch (and honestly, good, because I've grown to dislike Nvidia and jensen's shitty mentality over the yrs anyway).

Captain_Yuri said:

End of an era...

He's not totally going away but LTT will have a new CEO who ran NCIX, Corsair and Dell. We will see how that goes.

A CEO that's come from corporate tells me that LTT is going to go full corpo in the future. Why didn't he hire someone that's from somewhere smaller?. Literally any time in history I have seen someone from big corpo, it has resulted in said company growing for sure, but also becoming more corpo (Like look at what Michael Eisner and Katzenberg did to Disney over the yrs, they made it worse, despite giving us the decade long Disney Renascence) .

Yea the lower down the stack you go, the less impressive the gains have been since Turing era. Quite the shame really considering how 60 series once used to defeat the previous gen 80 series.

Idk why people keep suggesting Nvidia will leave the gaming market where they hold over 80% of the market share. Like has there ever been a case of a business saying "Welp we hold 80%+ market share of a highly profitable industry, lets just leave for the luls?" Like Nvidia made 1.8 Billion dollars in gaming vs 3.6 Billion dollars in Datacenter Q4 FY23. That's no small chunk in revenue to just say, yea lets leave something that they have a guaranteed win in every generation.

Plus if Nvidia leaves and Radeon becomes the dominant player, you think the industry will be any better? If anything, the GPU market will be significantly worse when you realize that when AMD had market dominance against Intels CPU with Zen 3, they refused to launch proper budget CPUs for nearly 1.5 years after the initial release Zen 3. It took Intel to launch Alder Lake before AMD bothered to release a proper CPU in the budget segment as they were riding the success of Zen 3 to their fullest extent.