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Cobretti2 on 10 May 2023
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Ryuu96 said:
Lavamelon said:

The things you are describing (torture and execution) are not “traditions”, they are legal punishments. Traditions are based on lifestyle and culture, legal punishments are based on how the government penalises you for doing something they don’t like. Two very different concepts you are intertwining. Celebrating birthdays is also a tradition, but we don’t torture people who refuse to celebrate their birthdays. You can have traditions without harming people who refuse to follow them.

What does it matter whether it's a tradition or a legal punishment? It's still fucked up.

Just reverse it and have a country which imprisons all those of Saudi Arabian descent, now that sounds fucked up doesn't it?

As pointed out already, the shunning of the LGBT community does put them in harms way too by treating them as different from the rest of the human race, thus emboldening acts of violence against them by similar minded bigots or harming them mentally, driving up suicide rates, taking away their basic human right to be treated equally as everyone else, etc.

Also, you can be gay without harming anyone if the bigots were just open-minded.

Lavamelon said:

Saudi Arabia is a country where having families and raising children plays an important role in society. Since homosexual relationships do not produce children, it doesn’t really fit in with Saudi tradition of starting families. If homosexual relationships could produce children, then perhaps it would be more compatible with Saudi Arabian society.

I know that we are steering away from the topic of FF16 being banned in Saudi Arabia, so I will end my discussion here. But if you wanted to know why homosexuality is not seen favourably in Saudi Arabia, there is your answer.

Weak excuse for bigotry.

People can still have families and raise children whilst co-existing equally with gay people, it literally doesn't change a single thing about whether they can do that or not. Whether you shun gay people or not, they aren't having a biological child with the opposite sex because guess what, they're gay! Some gay dude isn't going to suddenly start boning every woman he sees to produce children because laws say it's wrong for him to be gay.

Those straight people who want a child and want to start a family still can. Gay couples can start families via surrogacy or adopting the hundreds of children stuck in the adoption system and create families that way as well. As Lurker said, there are actual reasons why people are more reluctant to start families nowadays and the LGBT community isn't one of them.

I think they fear that it will brainwash people into becoming gay and don't realise they are born that way. They way some societies act is like its a fad that only appeared in the last 50 years lol.

Hell I am sure that there are some fucked up people in the world, who may want to get social media attention and pretend to be, but that would be like 0.1%.

The question here is why are gay people born? and have been born for thousands of years. why are people who aren't interest in sex born? why are people who are not fertile born? why are there people born who despise kids and want nothing to do with them? simple answer is natural population control. 

Granted we now have technology to help people have children, but before we got to this point, it was as simple as that, to ensure population doesn't explode which made sense before we took over the whole planet.

We were not even meant to live this long but as we evolved we have found ways to extend our lives. To think that not that long ago most people would be lucky to get to 12-15 years old.

PS - wonder if they know that the male Y chromosome is actually slowly disappearing. Granted it will take a few million years (if we don't blow each other up before then), but if we get to that point it will be a planet of lesbian women who self reproduce lol.