| Azzanation said: Hear me out, some won't like what I have to say but the reality is a hard lesson of life. Now that the ABK deal has been blocked (For now) this puts massive pressure on MS and keeping Xbox Hardware relevant. Unlike Nintendo who sells hardware at a profit and obviously deliver lesser hardware overall to produce, and Sony can rely on CoD money pumping billions into PS without eating into their own revenue streams. MS have to continually eat the costs of its RnD, Hardware selling at a loss and also selling a lot less than the competition, losing them billions just to stay in it. Hardware is down 30% and Services is up by 10%. Even though the Series X/S is the fastest selling Xbox in history, its simply not enough for a company like MS. |
Why do you think Sony is making CoD money and MS is making no money?
They both make lots of money off third party revenue. MS makes money off CoD, Fortnite, even Destiny, even if it's not as much as Sony is making.
| Azzanation said: Xbox hardware has always been a controversial product. Every Gen they come out and cannot make a big enough dent within the industry to maintain momentum. So the question is why does MS hang around in the hardware market? Is it to keep Sony in check? Thats not their responsibility and shouldn't have to bleed billions creating console hardware just to balance the industry out. This also falls on the individuals who disagree with that statement, if you cannot trust the company you invest in than you are investing in the wrong company. |
The 360 did fine. The Xbox Series S|X are great consoles even if they don't sell as much as the PS5 does.
And no, you shouldn't trust any company. The interest of a company is to a great extent at odds of the interest of the consumer. Companies exist to make money.
| Azzanation said: Alot of you will be saying "But but but if Xbox make good games they will sell more consoles" Wrong. Good 1st party games won't change the fate of Xbox. OG Xbox, 360, and the beginning of the X1 had plenty of 1st party outings and exclusives and it still hadn't gotten them close to market leader. What sells PS and XB is the plethora of 3rd party support, and that market has been taken by Sony long ago. Another example is the PS3, which had plenty of Sony's own 1st party support but the PS3 lost Sony $6billion while the 360 lost MS $4billion. 1st party outings did not change this outcome. Funny enough the X1 didn't lose the amount of money the 360 did and the X1 sold a lot less and with games releasing on PC regularly. |
There are a lot of factors that effect the success of a console.
Xbox One got off to a bad start due to bad press.
I'm not sure why you're being so dismissive of the 360, when it sold pretty close to what the PS3 did at the end.
| Azzanation said: Sega lasted 4 generations before they dropped out, and this is Xboxes 4th generation and its hard to see them continuing the hardware front next gen. Due to the lack of 3rd party support and the ABK deal being blocked, MS will most likely finish this gen off and move to what Google tried to start with Stadia. The next Xbox won't be hardware like before but a service available on multiple devices saving billions on hardware and putting the Xbox eco-system on platforms to obtain their goal of subs. |
Sega didn't do very well.
The best selling Sega console barely outsold the worst selling Xbox.
| Azzanation said: This will make the PS fans happy as they don't have to worry about Xbox and will give Sony full control of the high end performance market, while most likely Xbox will be one of the larger publishers in the industry much like Sega today. The reality is the industry isn't big enough for 3 platform holders and it never works out well for the 3rd. History has proven that, dating back even before the NES and Sega years. This is why the Mobile market and PC market only have two main choices, ISO and Android to MAC and Windows. Duopolys seem to work more consistently. |
I don't think these things are related. Mobile and PC market are driven by things other than games. A lot of that market share is driven by business interests and not consumer interests.
| Azzanation said: I believe Xbox pulling out of the Hardware scene is great for everyone. Xbox will make more revenue with less cost, Sony can do what they want, and everyone will be able to play MS games across a much wider range of devices. In my opinion there won't be another traditional Xbox console after this gen with the exception of a hybrid system. If you are a collector, id start collecting. Future may seem grim at first, but this is actually a win for everyone. More people playing video games is a better industry. |
I think the only reason MS would want to do that, is if they were able to put Gamepass on PlayStation/NS.
They make plenty of revenue off third party licensing. Gamepass could effectively do that for them, without the attachment of a console. But as it stands GP isn't quite blowing up yet, and it's incredibly unlikely that Nintendo and Sony would want Gamepass on their platforms.
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