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Bofferbrauer2 said:

Captain_Yuri said:

One thing to keep in mind is this comparison is a bit unfair to begin with. At MSRP, a 3070 was not a 6800 competitor because the 6800 had an MSRP of $580 while the 3070 had an MSRP of $500. 3070s real competitor is the 12GB 6700XT which had an MSRP of $480 which performed similarly to a 3060 Ti at just $20 less than the price of a 3070. Also the 6800 was much faster than the 3070 even at launch. The real competitor to the 6800 is the 3070 Ti which had an MSRP of $600 at which point, the 6800 was still a much better value because of the vram.

Now fast forward today and the RTX 30 series cards retained their MSRP and Radeon cards have drastically gone down in price. A 6700XT can be had for the price of 3060, 6800 or even 6800XT can be had for the price of 3070 at which point it is without a doubt RDNA 2 is the better option.

So while the video does make a good enough point to showcase the difference between the vram, the comparison isn't really the best because the 6800 was much faster than the 3070 to begin with and the GPU was in a higher tier of class than the 3070 at launch.

The result would have been much the same with the 6700XT, just maybe not quite as drastic. Also, they could have compared the 6800 with the 3070Ti, which would have been pretty much the same result, since that card also just has 8GB and the price was even higher than the one of the 6800. It's possible they didn't have any at hand thus had to settle for the "normal" 3070 for this test.

The verdict either was is the same: For a card with a MSRP of $500 in 2020; 8GB VRAM was simply not enough. 12GB should have been the minimum back then, but even the original 3080 didn't even have that much.

On a side note, we're going to have a rehash within 1-3 years with the 4070/Ti. It's 2023 NVidia, not 2020 anymore! 16GB should have been onboard, with just 12 it will run into the same issues long before the competition does...

@bolded: They keep their price because NVidia is much better known and because AMD is seemingly never gonna live down the driver issues they had during the GCN era, not because of any intrinsic higher quality - it's all due to image and marketing. 

I think the comparison would have been much more fair and personally I don't care if the 3070 wins or loses but more so about comparing the same class of cards. Comparing different class of cards skews the results in one side a lot more aggressively than it should and gives the wrong idea. I do agree that comparing the 6800 vs 3070 Ti would have showed similar results but again, that's also the point. The 3070 Ti was a terrible card for it's price and there were a few people looking to upgrade to it on this site which I recommended against.

Well Nvidia also has objectively better features like with the DLSS vs FSR comparison and objectively longer driver support like with GTX 900 series vs RX 300 series and objectively better Ray Tracing performance and objectively better workstation performance. So it's really not all due to image and marketing but rather, Radeon cards have features and track record that are objectively worse and continue to be so. Not long ago did we see the GTX 900 series getting faster driver updates than 6900XT with it's 2.5 month driver gap. The only real ding against Nvidia is the vram which granded is a big ding but both of them earned their respective reputation.

Last edited by Jizz_Beard_thePirate - on 10 April 2023