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EpicRandy said:
ConservagameR said:

PS was not headquartered in the US until 2016.

Yet MS now owns Zenimax and ABK. Everyone knows Sony complained about COD because of how much money they will lose and how that money lost, plus development and publishing profits will also be going to MS now.

So MS has way more FPS games than Sony already and also makes plenty of money from them.

Which other users? Are we talking about how Sony had argued their COD case or the merit behind it?

This statement goes along with the company values. You mean to say you think regulators won't be allowing the deal to pass due to Sony?

Headquartered yes, but Sony Interactive Entertainment LLC was in the US since 1993 and exactly to cater to the US market and help Sony in this task.

Yet MS now owns Zenimax and ABK.

Yes that's is a risk of relying on third party to fulfil some of your need, Sony took that risk willingly and benefited from this until the risk materialized into a tangible negative aspect.

Everyone knows Sony complained about COD because of how much money they will lose and how that money lost, plus development and publishing profits will also be going to MS now.

I would argue it is not the reason as Sony not set to loose those revenue with contractual agreement from MS for at the very least 10 years, Sony is much concern that MS will make Xbox GamePass such a success that it will shift the status quo in the console video game market and this may have a side effect of limiting Sony margin profits if they were forced to follow suit on things like day one game on PlayStation plus and/or day one pc release. If MS successfully shifted the status quo to a point where selling a console is not a necessity but only a part of their business Sony would find themselves in a situation where they are not the top player anymore and where they'll need to react quickly to great expense. To sum it up Sony doesn't want MS to be the Netflix of gaming where they would be the one playing catch up all of a sudden. 

So MS has way more FPS games than Sony already and also makes plenty of money from them.

Both statement are correct but only a result of business decisions from MS to focus on first party FPS and Sony to focus their efforts elsewhere. 

Which other users? Are we talking about how Sony had argued their COD case or the merit behind it?

No for the later for the first your question in response to RolStoppable was $120 Billion Sony is picking on $2 Trillion MS?

Wasn't this a rhetorical question to summarizing RolStoppable argument as being akin to victimizing Xbox from Sony? Cause the way I saw it he was using irony to show that your first point ("Should Sony and the Japanese government go after XB for having too much of a strangle hold on first person shooters for console?") doesn't apply.

This statement goes along with the company values.

How so? Are you implying that the statement of ABK regarding Sony's behavior's is somehow fueled by their bad work culture?

You mean to say you think regulators won't be allowing the deal to pass due to Sony?

No I meant ABK viewed Sony's action in regards to this deals as unfounded and hostile to them while enjoying a top position in the relevant market.

The task of becoming the leader in FPS titles? Consolidating that market? Was XB supposed to accomplish the same with Japanese titles?

Speaking of relying on third parties, why hasn't XB created (many) Japanese studios and titles if that's so important? It's been 20 years + trillions.

You're mostly agreeing with me here. Sony hasn't signed any agreement yet and it's not clear they will. At least not what's been offered so far. Sony is going to lose money because of this, sooner than later, and the market consolidation won't be better for everyone as this goes on. Sony doesn't want Netflix for gaming because then PS as we know it will cease to exist vs Game Pass eventually, with these costly acquisitions and rate of growth.

Then why does MS have a problem with Sony and it's Japanese strengths and then why can't Sony have a problem with MS FPS strengths in return? Because Sony money hats games? MS just used $80 billion to money hat Zenimax and ABK but they don't get just (timed) exclusivity, they get the entire company.

My point, as to the value of each company, along with the purchase value of ABK, shows it's ridiculous to think Sony can bully MS. Calling a bully names means nothing when he then punches you in the face and knocks a few teeth out. Sony ain't the bully.

ABK's word means something to you? I take it you also think they highly value their employee's and treat them like gold?

Last edited by ConservagameR - on 30 March 2023