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Chrkeller said:

*shrugs*

Capitalism is game, it isn't hard to play, just takes strategy. But too each their own.

Chrkeller said:
the-pi-guy said:

One of the things that just continues to be baffling to me is how many people in the middle and even lower classes, think they're "winning at this game". So many of the people that look down on the complainers are not living any better lives than the complainers. 

This isn't Chrkeller vs the cashiers at McDonalds who "made a bad choice and aren't living a great life;" so Chrkeller should pay more in taxes to make up for their bad decisions. That has nothing to do with any anti-capitalist positions. That is in fact a bandaid for Capitalism. McDonalds doesn't pay their employees enough, because the owners of McDonald's are incentivized to pay their employees as little as possible. Because that's what Capitalism is.


When people are fighting Capitalism, they are fighting against that idea. Even the centrists liberals are fighting for "McDonald's should pay their employees more so that everyone else shouldn't have to." 

One of the main points of left wing politics, isn't "people with money should pay for the people without money", but instead "rich people should stop taking advantage of poorer people".

While we are here, this feels like an incredibly important link to bring up. Survivorship bias

I'm not middle class.  Income percentile I'm around 95%.  

What people who complain about Capitalism don't understand is they control the market.  Don't like what McDonalds and Wal-Mart pays their employees?  Stop shopping there.  Capitalism simply provides consumers with what they want, in the US that is cheap junk which results in low wages.  Many don't like MS buying out large companies, stop buying Xbox.

The sooner people realize they control the market and the market is a reflection of their buying habits....  I know it is a hard pill to swallow and the truth hurts..  but facts are facts.

We live in a world where even the people who agree they've benefitted greatly from capitalism, but say they don't like it, won't give up much if not a lot of what they have to make things more even or fair, with finger pointing reasons like the rich should pay. The rich (being the strong in this case) never pay and never have, since the dawn of time. That's how things have always worked in life.

We also live today in a society where those who are quite well off, yet seen as somewhat poor in western society, want more because who doesn't, and those who have more, think the lesser have never lived worse, because they don't understand the past well enough. The irony of this is it's because of recent capitalism that they think that way. Once people have it good enough, they not only forget or don't learn what real poverty is, but only ever expect more without giving much themselves. Empires have fallen partially due to this.

Way too many people today think it's simply the system that runs everything, but people made that system, and it's people who changed it along the way so far, so it's the people who will modify it further if they want things to be different, or go elsewhere if they can't get what they want. The thing is, you can't always just change the base rules. Sometimes you have to change smaller things first to be able to make a big change. It's not the system that's responsible, it's you, the people.

When you live in a system where the people are well off enough, what used to be easy seems hard now, and they won't do things the hard way unless they absolutely must. It's not a coincidence you see a similar phrase to, "things are only going to get worse before they get better" often enough on the internet, because the people who understand see what's coming. Things will have to get much worse before enough people people finally say enough is enough and do what they have to, to solve the problems, and the solutions aren't even that hard, they just seem to be because of how successful they've become due to capitalism and how easy things have become.

Why do the rich keep getting away with things they shouldn't be? Because they've made life so easy for people that the people won't go out of their way to do what's more difficult but necessary based on what they believe is right. Which is ironic because it's the rich who became rich by doing the hard things and continuing to. Musk isn't the richest person alive because he was born that way, it's because as he jokes, his companies, "convert the impossible to late". Also ironically due to capitalism.

Everything requires upkeep and maintenance. Including capitalism. Ironically, the west has been in need of the tradesmen who do that type of work for decades because it's not seen as a good career or one that can make you rich. I wonder why the capitalist ceiling is caving in and the lights are flickering?