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Pemalite on 07 February 2023
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Chazore said:
Captain_Yuri said:

I don't think we will ever be going back to the cheap ways because not only are the GPU manufacturers like Nvidia are greedy but so is everyone else along with inflation. Lets say Nvidia wants to make a cheap GPU. Not only would they need to eat the cost of it being cheap so less margins but they would also need to eat the cost throughout the chain such as the increased wafer costs from TSMC, increased materials cost along with the ever increasing cost of vram. And if Nvidia does decide to eat the cost, then the share holders will not be happy and will replace Jensen with someone that's more greedy. It's basically a shitty circle of life where the only time we get cheap products is in rare circumstances like with Intel who own their own fabs so they can afford to sell an 14 core i5 (6P 8E) for $329 or with their A770/A750 cause they are trying to break into the GPU market. But then you see their financial results and non are too happy.

Not to say I am trying to justify Lovelace pricing because the prices have been horrid but I doubt the price creep will reverse in direction without some big revolution in the gpu space.

The core problem with us not going lower in price over time, is that the product we want eventually in our lifetime becomes totally unaffordable, like cars will eventually reach that finite point, and then folks en-masse are gonna want to take the train instead.

If Nvidia just keeps going and going, eventually there really will only be the 1% of the market left that can afford their products, and I guess by then that would also give them an excuse to throw their hands up and go "useless market can't afford our shit, time to pack up boys". I feel like jensen and a myriad of other company CEO's really do not understand how world economics works, because if everything goes up, no one can afford anything, which means they go broke sooner or later, and the cycle will enforce a repeat all over again (it's completely unavoidable for a single company in at least 2 centuries, Nintendo is the one exception, with M&S being a close second in the retail market to go this long and not go broke for keeping the prices up).

Really this just tails all the way back to shareholders being a bigger long-term problem, because for the longest time they have always been there, albeit in the shadows, but today they are more up-front and in line akin to customers, only they have way more power than us, and ofc I'm going to cite that as a problem, because they don't care about the product, they just care about return on investment only.

Someone, somewhere is gonna have to give eventually, because there is only so much customers will put up with before they leave said market and go somewhere else. I don't see Nvidia getting that lucky Nintendo ticket and keeping this up for another 100 years (jensen will also be long dead before then and someone else will have to adjust course).

I am a big proponent of self improvement... And that means working towards higher income brackets, which means things become affordable.
Since COVID started I have double my income for example, I took full advantage of the implosion in the job market.

At the moment there is a market correction as the world starts moving manufacturing to more local areas, inflation is hitting costs hard... And supply/demand is now placing some unique pressures on other markets.

We are seeing that with CPU's currently... The market is no longer hungry for CPU's, so AMD has been forced to lower prices or loose out... I mean... Why would I upgrade my Ryzen 5950X that I bought for $800 for a 7950X at $1200? Especially when you combine the higher RAM and motherboard costs.

I won't. It's not like my 5950X became useless overnight... And normally I am an early adopter.

Just play the waiting game, things might start getting interesting over the next 12 months.



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