Russia and Ukraine flashpoint

[the-pi-guy]

KiigelHeart said:

Just saw this, maybe this explains why that Hungarian fellow though only US wants to support Ukraine. I can only speak for Finland here, but this is a flat out lie. Every survey says over 90% of people here want more sanctions to Russia even if it means higher energy etc prices and more support to Ukraine. 

Majority of Europeans want the war to end & peace to be restored - acc. to @Szazadveg.

The war & sanctions have taken a great toll on European econs & households. Therefore, we must focus all our efforts on an immediate ceasefire & peace talks for the common European interest! pic.twitter.com/q6qx1YouZL

— Balázs Orbán (@BalazsOrban_HU) January 21, 2023

Well yeah, most people want the war to end.

I think/hope that for most people that means it's on Russia. 

Bofferbrauer2 said:

I saw the actual survey: The question was extremely biased and basically amounted to "do you want peace or them to be at war forever and spilling over into EU?". Of course, if the question is loaded like that, most say peace. I'm actually surprised many more saw through this and didn't choose peace, I was expecting a 90%+ result due to how the question was asked.

I wonder how much propaganda comes down to lying outright, and how much of it comes from asking loaded questions/giving partial truths.  

FarleyMcFirefly said:

I pretty much never post in political threads, but here is just one.

For all of the people who unconditionally support Ukraine and are cheering on the latest tanks being sent over, I hope you are prepared to be sent to fight, or to send off loved ones to fight. This disgusting escalation needs to cease. Peace must be negotiated, and yes, that means concessions on both sides.
Do I know what those concessions should be? Not in the slightest. I am not overly knowledgeable in world politics. However, I am very much anti-war and am appalled by our world leaders who only seem to be provoking the other side.

"If you think Putin is equivalent to Hitler, remember, he is Hitler with nukes" - Viva Frei

Our leaders need to be doing everything possible to avoid this, which does not seem to be the case at all.

This is my only post on the matter, so I will not reply to any possible vitriolic responses.
I pray this ends ASAP.

There's a whole bunch of things to consider.

Rol already said this in many more words. But where would it end? If we show Russia and China and anyone else that we're not going to put up a fight if someone threatens nuclear weapons, where will that end? It wouldn't with Ukraine. It wouldn't end with Taiwan. If you show a narcissist that they can just take without a fight, they will continue just taking.

I think there's a big difference in how advantageous it is threating to use them vs actually using them. Threatening to use them certainly seems advantageous because people are terrified. Actually using them though, doesn't seem very advantageous. That would likely mean losing everything you were fighting for.