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Zkuq said:

JEMC said:

Forspoken PC demo releases later today on all available digital stores
https://www.dsogaming.com/news/forspoken-pc-demo-releases-later-today-on-all-available-digital-stores/
Square Enix and Luminous Productions have announced that they will release a free playable PC demo later today. According to the teams, this PC demo will be available on all available digital stores, meaning that it will appear on Steam, Epic Games Store and Microsoft Store.

Huh. I thought they simply didn't care about PC and thus skipped the PC demo, but it turns out they were either lazy or didn't want to reveal the game's poor performance, and now I'm strongly leaning towards the latter. Might try it at some point because I've personally liked what I've seen (somewhat), although just barely meeting the minimum requirements doesn't sound too great with this game...

It's hard to guess what's going on in the heads of the S-E execs, especially after launching this two times delayed mess, the last one in an alarmingly long series of failures that bring little money to S-E but damages its brand, but I'd say that they didn't want to release the demo but, after the terrible press from all the media, I think they've decided to launch it to try to counter all that negativity, giving users that were interested in the game, like you, the chance to try it and, hopefully, decide that it's not that bad and actually purchase it.

But, as I said, who knows what makes S-E do what they do?

Bofferbrauer2 said:

JEMC said:

It's good that the 4080 is selling so poorly, but the 4070Ti being the best seller card at 1.000 € GPU isn't doing any favors to any of us. Nvidia will only think that the problem with the 4080 is its price/performance ratio, not only the price.

At this rate, Nvidia will have no reason to launch cheaper cards next gen.

Let's hope AMD and Intel can force them to not abandon cheaper GPUs.

GPUs will never get as cheap as they were some 10-15 years ago anymore (GeForce GTX 680 for $499 or Radeon HD 6970XT for just $369 MSRP, anyone?) due to the price increases at the chip fabrication, and especially the steep price increases below 10nm, but having the mid-range start at $600 or even higher is simply too much.

The 1060 cost only $199 at launch. While I don't expect such prices to return anytime soon, $300 max for a xx6x from either AMD or NVidia should be possible, $350 max for a Ti/Super/XTX (I have a feeling that AMD is turning the XT into the base version to not confound the GPUs with AMD CPUs without any suffix) variant. That would still be a big increase to the 1060, but it wouldn't price the cards out of the budgets of the players anymore.

In the same vein, xx7x cards should be below $500, $600 for Ti/Super/XTX. That's actually in line with the MSRP of the 3070/3070Ti and 6700/6700XT/6750XT

As you say, there are objective reasons to justify a GPU price increase, from the newer nodes to useing more and more expensive memory, but it's very difficult to justify the cost of all the Ampere cards besides the 3080, much less the prices of Ada GPUs, except the 4090.

I wish AMD and Intel could force Nvidia to lower its prices and actually enter a price war like the one we have with CPUs (quite ironic how this comment could have been the opposite a few years ago), but we all know how unlikely this is.