Pemalite said:
Captain_Yuri said:
So overall my thoughts after yesterdays press event from AMD: - X3D is looking fantastic. Assuming the claims were true, I would say my recommendations of not buying zen 4 at launch were on point. If you waited till holiday season, zen 4 had massive discounts and if the performance wasn't worth it enough, now X3D is coming to the big boy skus. |
I am still of the belief that it's wasted money to go with AMD older platform if you were looking to do a full system upgrade, might as well skip a platform/build.
I'm not alone in this belief as many people in the Enthusiast circles I partake in... Are simply going to drop in the new CPU's, rather than do another rebuild.
I personally just waited.
Captain_Yuri said:
- Non-X CPUs. Honestly these seem pretty pointless and pretty lame overall. The reason is that as mentioned in GNs video, the X skus has had discounts to similar price points to the non-X skus for a while. If AMD's plan is to release these non-X skus and then raise the prices of the X skus to normal levels and make X3D even more expensive, well that will simply be a shit move from AMD. Non-X skus should be cheaper imo and X skus should get a permanent discount and X3D should be replacing the original MSRPs. |
They aren't pointless. They are at a much lower TDP, perfect for SFF/Thin devices.
The Ryzen 7900 at 65w TDP would be something I would whack into an ITX case for my grandmother...
I agree though, X3D should replace the original MSRP, then rest should slot below that... AMD has a pricing issue right now which is holding them back from grabbing more of the market... It's a scary thought when Intel is providing better value in some instances.
Captain_Yuri said:
- Zen 4 mobile is looking good on paper so far. We will need to see some actual tests done but we already know for a fact that there will be big battery wins. Their Ryzen Ai sounds interesting but we need actual software to make any use of it like how you can use RTX voice/broadcast with Nvidia. The biggest issue is the confusing and potentially miss leading names. Sounds like the 70xx are the important designator this time around so anything below a 7x40 such as 7x35 is old architecture which to the uninformed can be misleading. |
Some of AMD's information has also been incorrect in regards to model name/features.
Seems their naming scheme is confusing their marketing team.
Case in point: They were telling 3rd parties that the Ryzen 7 7730U had 12 CU's...
I would have liked a top-to-bottom RDNA product stack, rather than blending old Vega graphics into the lineup so that we could make a clean break in the drivers and have a baseline set of GPU features.
Captain_Yuri said:
- RDNA 3 mobile is looking like low end only? As their top chip that was announced was a 7600M XT and they are comparing it to a 3060, looks like Radeon, least for now, has handed the laptop gaming market to Nvidia. It does explain why we did not see Asus announcing Strix with Radeon. Very unexpected from team Red but could be a situation where RDNA 3 mobile was not ready. |
The 7600M XT/7700S and 7600M/7600S looks to be a decent budget friendly mid-range chip, should prove to be a decent part in "cheap" gaming notebooks like the Acer Nitro series.
The 7600M XT/7700S has better bandwidth than the desktop 6600XT (288GB/s vs 256GB/s)
The 7600M/7600S has better bandwidth than the desktop 6600 (224GB/s vs 256GB/s)
So that is already a good start...
Although Ray Tracing is where things will either make it or break it. |
Yea upgrading to a "dead" platform never truly feels good. The 5800X3D recommendation was mainly for those that already had AM4 but it was very hard to recommend upgrading to Zen 4 with the launch prices because the reviews showed how little improvement it had in terms of gaming. And while in terms of productivity, there were great gains, it just didn't feel right to spend so much on such little gaming improvements. Fast forward a month later, we see those same chips get big discounts and fast forward to now, X3D allows both big gaming and productivity improvements. So now it's much easier to recommend the upgrade than during the initial launch.
And I can see where you are coming for with the 65 watt tdp but the X chips have eco mode as mentioned in the video that allows them to run at similar tdp as non X chips. The main difference is likely going to be the binning so while the X chips can go down to non-X levels, the non-X chips may not be able to go up to X levels if that makes any sense. If there was a bigger difference in prices between the X discounted price and non X msrp, then it would be a great value. But to me, it just feels meh.
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