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So overall, it feels like Nvidia and AMD are price fixing the GPU market instead of actually being competitive like in the CPU market.

If you look at the CPU market for example, AMD launched Zen 4 at dumb prices and what did Intel do? They didn't position their CPUs in such a way that would allow them to sell at a much higher margin. Instead they came out with CPUs that destroyed any value proposition that Zen 4 had. 7600X 6 core 12 thread for $300? Lol here's our i5 for $329 that has 14 cores (6p 12 threads + 8e cores). They did that with their i7 and i9 which absolutely demolished Zen 4s lineup to the point where either most people are buying Zen 3 with 5800X3D or going Raptor Lake and AMD was forced to give out massive discounts.

But in the GPU landscape, it's so clear that neither companies are competing to the point where it feels like there's collusion going on. Nvidia has a 4090 which has the performance crown by a pretty large margin, great. But they come out with a 4080 that is horribly priced because they somehow knew that the 7900XTX couldn't compete with a 4090. Like after how close RDNA 2 was, wouldn't a company without spies think oh, perhaps we should take our competitor seriously? But nope, they knew the exact price and performance of the 7900XTX.

So AMD has the choice of destroying the 4080 by pricing the 7900XTX $900 or even lower but they don't. But alright, 7900XTX is slightly faster so perhaps its priced fairly enough. But then they release a 7900XT at $900. So now Nvidia has the chance to make the 7900XT DoA while keeping a good margin. If they released the 4070 Ti at $600 or even $700, would have demolished the 7900XT in value and forced a big discount. But nope, they price it at $800 which allows the 7900XT to exist at it's current price point and they configure the 4070 Ti just enough so that a 7900XT is 5-10% faster for 12% increase in price. Nvidia could have easily configured the 4070 Ti to be as fast as a 7900XT while leaving plenty of room against the 4080 but nope. So now AMD is likely going to release a 7800XT that won't offend 4070 Ti too much from it's price/performance position.

Hell the biggest kicker is that Nvidia could have easily made Radeon choke if they priced the 4080 at $800. Because of how cutdown it is, even with TSMCs price increases and inflation, it would have been doable. I get the whole, need to sell last gen cards but this is nuts.

Hopefully they will get sued for it like how they got sued back in 2008 for price fixing as well:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-amd-ati-graphics,6311.html

It's like how phone companies in Canada don't compete with each other. They simply just match each others prices and offers similar plans and such.

Last edited by Jizz_Beard_thePirate - on 04 January 2023