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VAMatt said:

Like I said, Countdown to Extinction is better than the Black Album. Both were certainly departures from each bands previous works. But, Countdown was still an album that metalheads of the time were into. The black album is where many metalheads got off the Metallica train, myself included.

That said, Megadeth did make a conscious attempt to make their music more commercially appealing *after* Countdown. Mustaine has admitted this. One could argue that Countdown was also an attempt to get more mainstream success. But, afaik, Mustaine has not admitted to that.

Yeah, I can agree with this.

Going from AJFA to the black album was just devastating.  I mean, you know something's wrong when the jocks are now playing Metallica at the high-school keg parties.  Megadeth never fell quite that far from one album to the next, although Countdown is still a massive drop in quality from RIP in my opinion.  I did like Youthanasia more though and I've heard a bit of their later material here and there that sounds ok.

But as much grief as I give Metallica's black album, nothing could have prepared me for what they produced next.  I don't mean to upset any fans of Load but that album is absolutely horrible.  It's not because it's not as heavy or too simple... it's just garbage.  And St. Anger is probably even worse.  My opinion, of course.

I'd like to think that if Cliff had never passed away, Metallica would have remained the same four members for many albums after Master of Puppets and progressed into an even greater band as opposed to what they devolved into.

Last edited by archbrix - on 16 December 2022