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SecondWar on 13 December 2022
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Hiku said:
SecondWar said:

Give them a handshake and a hug? No

Not to behave in a crash, childish way? Yes.

Then you either reward the Dutch players disgusting behaviour by letting them get away with it.
Or you don't, but only blame Argentina, as you did in your previous post. (Which is probably because you didn't know the context.)

The difference is that the Netherland players were in their faces tauninting and heckiling DURING the penalty shootout.
Several dutch players swarming the person walking up to take the penalty. I have never seen this before.
And they didn't just target the one walking up to the spot. Otamendi said: "I celebrated in the face because there was a player from the Netherlands who, in every penalty we had, came and said things to one of our players."

If you ask me, the Argentine players were not close enough to their face when they taunted back after the final whistle was blown.
Fuck that about having to act classy when your oppionents act like this, and reward them for that behaviour.

SecondWar said:

Bit in italics I haven't seen referenced but if true I can understand there being bad blood.

The bit in bold, there's always trash talk before/during games. I guarantee you many involved in the Argentine squad will have said similar.

That's more of a separate issue, and less about why the Argentine players taunted the Dutch players after the game, and more related to why Messi did Riquelme's goal gesture aimed at Van Gaal, and also told him "You talk too much".

In my defence, the broadcast I watched did not show any of what you highlighted of Dutch behaviour during the penalty shootout so that makes more sense to me now.

What several media outlets have done is plaster the photo of Argentine players celebrating at the Dutch players across several articles between the quarter finals and the semis. The hand gesture which I took as a childlish teasing one seems to have a different context as well.

Regardless, doesn’t look like I was getting my wish anyway. Croatia don’t really have the goal threat to get back into this. Similar reasons to why I can’t see Morocco stifling France tomorrow. As someone else pointed out, Messi is also right up there for the Golden Boot. The trophy and the boot (the golden ball as well maybe, that’s certainly a possibility but harder to predict) would certainly be quite a way to sign-off. Despite what I’ve said previously, I find a part of me wanting to see that happen (maybe the bit that holds a dislike for Ronaldo).

Last edited by SecondWar - on 13 December 2022