Controversial character design changes in game remakes

[tsogud]

DroidKnight said:

tsogud said:

Speaking as a nonbinary bisexual I don't prefer voluptuous well-figured characters or beef-cakes with huge buldges. This isn't porn, it's interactive art. I, like many people, prefer realism in characters in games that go for that art style. That doesn't mean these types of characters don't have a place in games. Games that go for campy or satirical style are an exception, like Catherine or Bayonetta (tho I do think Bayo does a pretty good job with portraying powerful women) but the examples pointed out are from games that originally chased the realism art style and tone as evident by the characters.

Also you can't speak for other people or demographics. You spoke for yourself so the convo will be centered on that. You admitted in your post that it might be sexist and I just confirmed it was. That's all. You think women with flat butts and chests and asymmetrical faces are ugly and you value big jiggly breasts and only want to look at that. Your post literally admitted to objectifying women, albeit virtual women. That's sexist. Sorry, but it is.

I don't care what you prefer, you are free to like whatever you like.  I only spoke for myself and not other people, you may have misread my post. I said if I was a gay female or if I was a gay male, the key word in those sentences being "I".  I said in my post that what I said would come across as sexist, I never once defended that or backtracked on that, but you for some reason are stuck on that.

Here is an earlier statement of yours:

"The reason those changes happen is bc more people other than straight males play video games now. Video games have become mainstream. And it's gross to know it's largely there bc some guy wanted to see virtual breasts."

You said I can't speak for other people or demographics, but here you are doing exactly that.  That's hypocritical. I apologize, but it is.  People, other than straight males have always played video games.  

You literally said you wanted to see virtual breasts and I reiterated it... I didn't talk as if I was a straight man or talk for all straight men. What I said wasn't hypocritical. I also never said straight males were the only ones to play video games. They were just the overwhelming majority of people who both played and made games and the target demographic. That's not the case anymore, as more and more people of different demographics enjoy the hobby now.

Saying "If I was this..." or "If I was that..." is moot and carries no weight or truth because you're not part of those demographics so you can't speak on it. It's a very childlike thing to say. You're assuming that's what you'd like based on your belief of what gay men and lesbians like. It's ultimately filtered through the eyes of what you, as a straight man, prefer. So your make believe scenario would never be accurate or authentic because you're not a lesbian or gay man. Making up a scenario based on a superficial perception of what a gay man or lesbian would like and assuming the identity of a gay man or lesbian and using that as a basis to support your viewpoint is, as I said before, moot and completely void of logic. I'm not talking about what ifs or make believe, I'm talking about reality and what you said about women in video games.

Also beauty is subjective and is shaped by experiences and predispositions. Just because you think something is "fugly" doesn't mean it is.