The US is ranked as a 'Flawed Democracy', what needs to change?

[ConservagameR]

the-pi-guy said:

ConservagameR said:

I'm going to blanket reply to all of this, because it's all driven by the same fallacy.

Republicans/Conservatives are not a bloc, they do not all believe the same things. I'm just saying that a lot of them have different feelings. That's my point.

Liberals and left wingers and socialists are also not a bloc. They do not believe the same things. Plenty of left wingers have right wing beliefs. Plenty of right wingers have left wing beliefs.

Some conservatives loved Colbert back in the day, some hated him. 

Some conservatives hate abortion, some conservatives say they hate abortion, some will still get an abortion for themselves.

Some conservatives hate welfare, and some conservatives say they hate welfare, but have no problem getting something for themselves.

The reason why I was pointing out hypocrisy, is because I'm pointing out that those left wing positions aren't the important factor. Being pro-marijuana or pro-BLM doesn't make someone not a conservative. That's all I'm saying.

>I never said all immigrants are liberals.

You were giving a long list of things you felt disqualified someone from being conservative. I was pointing out that plenty of people are hypocritical. 

The more important point that I was making before, it doesn't matter if DePape was the most leftwing person on the planet, what matters is what drove him to do something. Which was in this case, anti-democratic/anti-leftwing propaganda. Which lots of left wingers fall for, but that propaganda is not left wing.

It doesn't even matter if he was mentally unwell, where did he get the idea to do something?

ConservagameR said:

I'm the one who initially explained the Elon tweet to Clinton. All he was doing was making a point. If she's going to jump to conclusions about the story, then so will he. If she's going to post something that's mostly a guess, then he's going to do the same. If she's going to smear the right, he's going to smear the left.

The overall point was, you can either play clean or play dirty, and if you want to play dirty, two can play at that game. Conservatives aren't playing nice anymore. That much has been clear to me for a while now. If the left can get away with it, then so can the right. Either things can go back to being more legitimate, or they can keep getting worse and it's not the right who's going to decide that. That's the stance the right is taking, that looks to be clear, and if the left doesn't like it, the right isn't going to care going forward until things change.

@underlined: Yes and I was pointing out that you're wrong. And then you ignored it. That's why I'm bringing it up again.

And no these two things are not the same. One of them is just blatant misinformation, and the other one is something that is reasonably correct, even if it doesn't tell the whole story. 

Secondly no, conservatives have been playing dirty for decades.

Fox News, Breitbart, New York Post, Washington Times, etc pretty much exist solely for some conservatives to play dirty.

ConservagameR said:

Or you know, don't make any assumptions whatsoever and look at the facts.

All these conversations about this have been nothing but assumptions by everyone, so why does this only apply to me? That seems to be a trend now.

Looking at reporting is not making assumptions.

ConservagameR said:

The unfortunate truth is that the truth no longer matters in politics. The more honest you are, the more likely you're going to lose.

I wonder why I, lose so much, when it comes to likes in threads like these? Must be because I'm always completely wrong. Must be.

Because you clearly don't make an effort to try to understand what the other viewpoints are. You're just here to argue, you're just to "win". 

For example, I don't personally view these discussions as things I am losing or winning. 

I get in these conversations partly to try to understand where you're coming from, partly because I would like to share my perspective. 

And it's clear that you're not here for the same reasons. You're almost practically throwing a large part of my argument back at me, without understanding the point.

I'll blanket back.

So you say conservatives and liberals aren't all the same, and believe in many different things, some that even cross over, yet the culprit isn't on the left but is definitely on the right?

The things the culprit did, said, and was known for, aren't tied to liberals in anyway, only conservatives? How is that possible?

Both of those things can't be true at the same time. Either he's on the right because the right and left are bloc's, or we can't know his political affiliation.

Seems to me like I'm the one trying to understand, and you're the one trying to win.