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Captain_Yuri said:

4090 has been a shit show no doubt but it is a beacon of win because it's the only product with the least amount of compromises. It will likely beat the 7900XTX in Raster by most likely 15-20%, it will beat the 7900XTX in Ray Tracing by 80+%, it has industry leading Ai upscaling that neither Intel or AMD can match, it has Reflex that no one has an alternative to or will have in sometime. It has industry leading encoders, it has cuda acceleration for workstation, it has support for Optix which beats 64 core threadripper CPUs and dual Radeon Workstation GPUs single handedly in Blender and the list goes on.

Now you may not care about a lot of that and that's fine. But that doesn't mean others don't. And that doesn't mean it doesn't come at a cost. 7900XTX costs $1000 and not $1600 not because AMD is doing you a favor, it's because the 7900XTX is inferior in virtually every area and in fact, most of the time, by a lot. The only area it's good in is Raster gaming if that's all you care about, great. But the 4090 no doubt a win for Nvidia because there will be nothing like it from AMD or Intel for the rest of the generation at any price point and for that, there is a cost.

That it may be, but if I and many others cannot afford it, or have to only use it for 4-k, then that just becomes an extra added cost and that alone comes with it's own set of compromises, topping it off with needing those after-market cables and you're kinda seeing a formula one boasting the latest engine, but the rest of the body needs duct tape and 3rd party parts to keep it from falling apart at the next turn.

Look at it this way, Musk wants to setup flights to the moon for mankind, but you and I both know 99% of us are going to afford that. Yes that makes it a win for humanity to be able to take frequent trips to the moon, but if 99% of us cannot afford it, then what is the point in it even existing?.

I get that the rich have these nice ultra luxuries, but from an outsider pov, they are pretty much useless to the rest of us, because they either do so little vs the price points or are not available for everyone, it's why I find most rich ppl lifestyles as extremely wasteful, pointless and vain. 

I fully expect the 4090 to remain unchallenged throughout this entire gen, simply because AMD is still playing catch up for a gen and a half now, and they seem more focused on FSR than anything else currently.

I do care about RT in the future, but atm, not many devs are implementing it in ways that make it a must have for virtually everyone, myself included, like look at Dl2, with RT off the game looks like shit, but with RT on it looks mediocre, that's bad form in my eyes, at least Cyberpunk looks semi decent without RT on and other settings on high to ultra, but DL2 is an example of not doing a good job (also DX 12, devs still haven't gotten to grips with that and UE still giving us stutters, so I'm not as hopeful for RT getting executed properly if devs cannot resolve the other two long-standing issues plaguing us still). 

I'm just annoyed that Nvidia gets to boast about what they have, but still keep the gates locked and the toll price high, like that does nothing for me and makes the boasting insanely vain and arrogant, that I actually want to kick Jensen so hard in the nuts that he has a heart attack and passes on the spot, it's like we're reaching last gen levels of Sony arrogance and I hate seeing a company get so smug and comfortable in that sort of position. 

The 4090 isn't a product for the masses. It's a Halo product. If say Honda launches a new NSX supercar that costs $150,000, they aren't launching it for a civic buyer. They are launching it for those that like supercars. That doesn't mean Honda isn't going to launch a new Civic for the masses however cause they will. Similarly Nvidia will launch a new product for the masses. If you want to hate on a product, the 4080 is what everyone should be hating on. Because in the same analogy, the 4080 is if Honda is charging close to NSX price for a Civic Type R. If Nvidia doesn't cut the price, the 7900XTX is an easy win against the 4080. Hating on the 4090 because it's out of most peoples price range is like saying I hate lambos because I can't buy them.

The thing with RT is that while it's not transformative in every game, virtually every new big game is coming out with it and we are still in the cross gen period. One of the big staples of UE5 is Lumen which has a software based and hardware based. The hardware based Lumen is accelerated in the RT cores and considering how many companies are using UE5, it will certainly become a staple. But the question you gotta ask yourself is when you are spending money on a new product, do you really want one where it's a one trick pony or do you want a product that, while costing more, gives you all the options? Because that's why it's hard to recommend AMD cause even Intel who is new to the GPU market has better feature set than AMD does and that's saying something. (It's just that Intels drivers are shit).