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Bofferbrauer2 said:

Reading the review from PCGH, I found out why the X3D beats the Zen 4 in several games: It's the GPU limit. Zen 4 bounces off of it, while the large cache of the X3D allows it to dig a bit deeper into the limit.

In other words, Ampere and Navi 2x are too weak to unleash the power of Zen 4 even just in 720p

Captain_Yuri said:

Crazy how we went from 5600X which was as power efficient as a quad core 3300X to 7600X which requires almost as much power as 16 core 32 thread 5950x. While I am sure raptor lake will be even more nuts in terms of power, efficiency is clearly no longer a priority for any of these companies on desktop. I am looking forward to the laptop comparisons however since that is where we will see the biggest gains in performance per watt.

Keep in mind that they have a different TDP setting. If you set the TDP of the 7600X to 65W it will lose a bit of performance but consume also just about as much as the 5600X while having much more performance.

That being said, AMD should really have released a Ryzen 5 who comes with a TDP of 65W out of the box. Just releasing an uprated 105W variant (and that goes for all the Zen 4 chips so far) makes them look very inefficient.

I wouldn't put too much stock into that. In some games it may be true that there is a GPU limit but there are also many other games where that is not the case. Anandtech did testing below 720p to really make sure GPU bottleneck wasn't a thing:

So I wouldn't get your hopes up outside of a few cases.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/17585/amd-zen-4-ryzen-9-7950x-and-ryzen-5-7600x-review-retaking-the-high-end/17

Also if they did lower the TDP, then it would have fallen behind the lower tier Alder Lake which is why I am sure AMD set it so high to begin with.

Chazore said:

Captain_Yuri said:

Yea I'd say getting a 5800X3D would be a good choice if you can get a like a 240mm AIO or higher tier air cooler. A lot of them can go on sale and if you don't mind the looks, the Arctic Freezer 2 comes highly recommended from GN for its performance and cheapness. Personally, I won't be thinking to upgrade until Meteor Lake or Zen 5 because those are the big ground up redesigns from both companies in terms of CPU but that's 2024 or later.

I will say that the clock is ticking because Nvidia has already stopped producing Ampere and I am sure AMD will stop 5800X3D production if they haven't already. So if you can, I'd snag one sooner than later if you can find them for a good price. Make sure to get 3080 12GB model if possible.

Tbh I'm already behind on hw lol, I'm still sporting my i7-6700k and 1080ti, so I'm a few gens behind on both. I don't mind going for the 5800X3D and falling behind another gen and waiting for that gen to get cheaper with time, I've found that trying to go for the latest isn't in my books anymore, and of course, the one area I thought was to benefit from this was AAA, and that sector is still playing catch up with tech.

I'll try and see if I can snag both before years end, if not early next year.

I thought the 3080 only came in 12/16gb models, and that they discontinued the 16gb one?.

In that case, you do have a few paths. Cause the longer you wait, the cheaper the motherboards of Zen 4 will get and I doubt Ryzen 7000 will be in as big of a demand as they were when Ryzen 5000 came out. So if you wait long enough, you could get Ryzen 7000 or even 7000X3D with a cheap motherboard and discounted DDR5 and it will be a good path forward. Even if you don't upgrade regularly, I think if you wait till early next year, Ryzen 7000 will be a better choice if you are going for a full system upgrade because the B series motherboards will be out by then and the 5800X3D will get discontinued.

If you are buying this year, then 5800X3D + AM4 + DDR4 might be the cheapest option or Raptor Lake + Z690 could be a good option as well as that should beat Zen 4 while giving you PCI-E Gen 5 for GPU. But we will see about the prices of the CPUs and reviews.

The 3080 came in 10/12GB models. There was no 16GB outside of laptop versions which weren't real 3080s anyway. Only 4080 comes in 12/16GB versions.