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Bofferbrauer2 said:

Captain_Yuri said:

The games Linus tested has Ryzen 7000 beating AlderLake while losing pretty massively to 5800X3D

The games GN tested, Ryzen 7000 performs similarly to 5800X3D outside of CSGO

It has a pretty massive lead in productivity applications though but the temps and power are pretty high at 95C with 360 AIO paired with 7950x but AMD says its alright. It does also require more power but as usual, Intel sucks more power.

As noted by Hardware Unboxed, AMD says that this is intended, all their Zen 4 chips will boost up to 95 degrees, so with a better cooler you can reach better clock speeds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WubXd2tXOA

Their 7600X boosts to 5.45 Ghz, which is 150 Mhz above max specs because their cooler could take it.

I wonder however where the differences come from with the 5800X3D between HU and LTT, as they're very different results here.

Yea but obviously this means a worse cooler will get lower clocks which will get worse performance than in their benchmarks. 7600X running at 93C with a 360 AIO isn't exactly a good thing not to mention, the room will get hotter more quickly than previous gens. The fact that a 5800X3D runs cooler than a 7600X while delivering similar performance + having two extra cores is crazy.

hinch said:

Feels like a Zen+ moment. And not that impressive once you factor in the cost of upgrading your whole system.

The 5800X3D is still a beast.. will be upgrading to that and that'll be me done for the next few years.

I think it's much worse than a Zen+ moment because of the platform upgrade cost. Zen+ was just meh in terms of performance but with Ryzen 7000... AMD is basically just asking you to pay $500+ on top of the CPU just to get almost the same gaming performance.