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Chazore said:

JEMC said:

I really hope this whole price isn't to please shareholders. They only care about the money, not the future of the company and pricing your good out of reach of the bulk of your consumers will do nothing to improve your profits  in the mid and long run.

Also, pricing them high to make Ampere cards appealing is a good way to reduce your stock on 3000 cards, but those that will buy one of them isn't going to buy a 4000 card in the short term. You're trading one sale for another. And with the Ampere cards falling in price, that tactic actually hurts AIB parterns, forcing them to sell at a loss. Not that Nvidia seems to care, but those AIB partners DO care, and will adjust its orders of Ada GPUs accordingly.

And yeah, most of us are very tired of the high GPU prices. The only saving point for Nvidia right now is that consoles are available in such short quantities that people can't quit PC gaming and go to consoles.

Now there's a thought, what if that's Nvidia's goal?.

Think about it, if they force AIB partners to sell the older cards at a loss, that's one less problem for Nvidia to care about, or bring up at board meetings for shareholders (they can legit just tell shareholders that they sold the majority of them and not tell the partners of the AIB's failing in profits), and at the same time, this would allow the AIB's to fall short and give Nvidia the forefront of selling the newer cards, while the AIB's still play catch up, or hesitate to sell their own, that would give Nvidia an insane amount of power and even more leverage to cut out the middle-men. 

That would be absolutely evil as shit to do though, and I hope to god that isn't one of their plans, because if I were an AIB partner, I'd get the fuck outta there if that were to happen. 

personally, even if consoles were made available again, I can never go back to them. I just cannot stand the lacking freedom, the software I currently use, the subscription plans for the crap that's on there (netflix, hulu, all that shit, online gameplay, lack of modding, etc, it all feels so restrictive to me still). 

I don't think Nvidia is in that position, at least not yet. And prove of that is the 4080 12GB, and AIB only card. If Nvidi wanted to hurt them they would have also done a F.E. card with that GPU.

Now you could argue that giving the 12GB model to AIB is a poisoned gift, because it will be very difficult for them to launch custom models close to the $900 MSRP and will, instead, be closer to $1,000 or even a bit more, putting potential buyers in the mindset of "if I'm spending that much, why not go for the true 4080 instead?". But well, AIBs aren't run by stupid people, and if they think that Nvidia is cutting the grass off their feet, they'll make something about it.

Darc Requiem said:

The RTX 40 series is actually worse than I thought. I saw a commenter saying the 4080 16GB is a rebranded 4070 and the 4080 12GB is a rebranded 4060ti. If you check the percentage of CUDA cores for a 3070 vs a 3090 and a 3060ti vs a 3090 and then compare them to the 4080 12GB and 4080 16GB vs the 4090 the dude isn't be BSing. WTF Nvidia.

4090 - 16384 Cuda Cores
4080 (16GB) - 9728 Cuda Cores (58.38%)
4080 (12GB) - 7680 Cuda Cores (46.88%)

3090 - 10496 Cuda Cores
3070 - 5888 Cuda Cores (56.1%)
3060ti - 4864 Cuda Cores (46.34%)

I don't really agree with that. Sure, the difference between the 4090 and real 4080 is massive, But I think it has more to do with Nvidia leaving a gap big enough between the different models to fit the -Ti models that will come next year, so they bring enough performance improvements to make them look good enough.

After all, while Nvidia didn't say a thing, GALAX confirmed the chipsets uded on each GPU, and they don't differ much from what they've been using these last generations, with the exception of the 4080 being AD103 when Nvidia rarely uses the x03 name.  

Captain_Yuri said:

From the press event

Jensen:

🟢We will ship some quantity of Ada this quarter.

🟢Vast majority of Ada next quarter.

— Hassan Mujtaba (@hms1193) September 21, 2022

Damn, sounds like even if you want to get one, it may not be easy.

Between low availability and ridiculous prices, the idea of Nvidia putting these cards out of reach to make the remaining Ampere cards more enticing sounds more plausible.

After all, we have to remember that Nvidia tried to renegotiate its contract with TSMC to reduce it, which TSMC said no. So we know that Nvidia has the chips, and it's only a matter of willing to use them now or not.