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Bofferbrauer2 said:

Captain_Yuri said:

I'd much prefer the APUs not have infinity cache. We need those things to be as cheap as possible and adding IF will make them much more expensive. Plus with such low CU count, doesn't really need them.

I agree for the smaller ones. For the 65W+ chips, IF could have made sense depending how big the GPU part gonna be on those.

They are bandwidth starved.
Infinity cache actually makes more sense for APU's than any other part in theory...

In practice it adds a significant cost.

Maybe the end goal is for 3D cache to scale down in cost where they can merge that with APU's to benefit both the CPU/IGP as a single pooled resource. One can dream.

Thankfully we are also transitioning from DDR4 to DDR5... Which has been the absolute largest bottleneck to integrated graphics performance, hence why AMD has kept CU counts relatively static for years and just played with clockrates.. And hoped that the increase in bandwidth as their chips went from DDR4 2400mhz to 3200Mhz will offer enough of a tangible increase.

I have a Ryzen 2700u and 4700u notebook with DDR4 2400mhz/3200mhz respectively both with integrated graphics... And recently bought a new notebook with a Geforce RTX 3060... All because the increase in IGP capability hasn't kept up with gaming, the 6000 series is slow to come to market in designs... But it will offer the biggest leap since the 2700u.