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ConservagameR on 07 September 2022
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Azzanation said:
ConservagameR said:

1) Because you keep changing what you originally said.

2) Since when was a camera with the console normal? That's not an extra? Extra materials, which should not be a cost to the consumer?

3) Like point 1, where you keep changing what you said. Originally this point was about quality, not profits. Since when have big blockbuster AAA first party games been about profits? They were always there, along with the the hardware to bring you in, then make bank off those other high profit games. 

Sony making big money off their AAA is relatively new, a change, so is that also anti consumer? All those PS4 games were too expensive, along with PS5 games?

4) How could PC online be awesome while free, but PSN was junk? What about $60 XB Live and free Live for PC?

5) Subsidizing billions isn't pleasing unless the outcome is massive profits. Continually making up for billions lost in the past isn't pleasing to shareholders. 

6) Sony didn't cause inflation. Gas companies didn't cause inflation. Why aren't any of these energy mega corps selling gas at 2018 prices?

7) They offer you more, that's worthy, and charge for it, with profits included in the price, based on economics. If anything changes, you get less or more of many things.

Sometimes they try and force you to pay for more for what's in the box even though you don't want everything in the box, and don't want to pay that much or for the extra. Sometimes they try and take away future options, and then flip a switch when they get enough push back. Sometimes this is because they are greedy.

I really have zero idea where you are proving your point. Just because they do it doesn't make it right. I gave you answers and you completely ignored them. Example: Point 4, PSN was crap, it was a service constantly getting hacked and leaking personal info and lacking features, Sony improved the service and added a paywall to try and justify the cost. Not rocket science to work that out.

XB1 had a camera included, of course its going to have a higher price point, i hope you are not this dense to see the clear difference here. PS5 went up and is offering you Zero difference. No camera included in the price hike.

So, the PS5 is going up in price while their direct competitors who are just as greedy and maybe even more so are not. If you cant see it, you are blinded by their PR speak. They want you to pay more for the exact same thing because they can, not because they need to. Just like their $70 games model, Games are constantly racking in record profits but lets increase the price by another $10 just because they can. I have not seen 1 game this gen worth $70 compared to last gens $60 model.

I didn't ignore it, you did, then I reiterated. How can XB Live be great because of charging, yet PC Live be awesome while free, while PSN was terrible due to being free? It stands to reason that XB Live could be free, but that would basically mean PSN could be free too. I don't see how XB Live could be free while Sony charged for PSN. Now that would be a bridge too far.

You said Sony should've or needs to offer more in the box for free. Why couldn't the Kinect have been free then?

I already said if Sony wanted more for a PS5 like their games, then it makes way more sense to charge a little more at launch like with their games. The fact Sony waited two years, and a year after inflation to do it, makes it much more likely that it's due to inflation, considering it's highly unlikely Sony figured this would come to pass, so they could squeeze out a few more dollars with hardware price increases near mid gen.

For gamers who are having MS eat the XB costs, great, they charge too much for stuff like Windows anyway. That's no reason to try and put down Sony for trying to run a reasonable gaming business in this case. PS5 game prices was more questionable no doubt, but we have to see how they execute to know if it was worth it for most players or not. C19 has slowed that process so far, so we can only hope it speeds up and that titles drop in the exceptional state the should be in.