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JEMC said:

Captain_Yuri said:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Ti “Full-Fat AD102” Graphics Card Pictured With Massive Triple Fan Cooler

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-ti-full-fat-ad102-graphics-card-pictured-massive-triple-fan-cooler/

Vega, is that you?

I said it before and I'll say it again: knowing the specs of the mid-cycle refresh cards before the original cards launch is depressing. Why would someone, in a regular, non-crypto booming market, buy a 4080 when it launches when, in 12-18 months you know that you'll get something more powerful, with more VRAM and, again, in a non-crypto hell situation, for the same or only slightly more money?

OIh, and yes, that card resembles the old Vega cards.

I don't think it's too big of a deal mainly cause we always had an idea of the refreshes of cards cause Nvidia always launches their expensive flagships. For example, when Nvidia used to do their titans, many people would wait for the xx80Ti variants because you could get Titan level performance for sometimes half the price. I think it's mainly about the cycle you are in. You buy a 4080 now, you are in the launch cycle where as if you buy a 4080 Ti, you are in the Ti cycle. Personally I like to be on the 80 cycle cause you always get that massive leap over last gen while getting the crucks of the technologies and you get the full cycle of the GPU gen... Where as the 80Ti versions are 20-30% faster than the 80 series but will get "outdated" sooner by the next gen.

But on the other hand, if you want to keep the GPU the longest, the 80Ti is usually the better choice cause it generally gets most amount of Vram and Cuda cores for that generation while being at a reasonable price pre-Turing. So it depends whether you upgrade every two or so years or if you want to keep it for a long time.

Bofferbrauer2 said:

Captain_Yuri said:

NVIDIA Retained 80% Discrete GPU Market Share Versus AMD’s 20% In Q2 2022 Despite Gaming Revenue Losses

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-retained-80-discrete-gpu-market-share-amd-20-in-q2-2022-despite-gaming-revenue-losses/

Looks like while Nvidia did lose a bigger % of shipments compared to Radeon, Radeon wasn't shipping anywhere close to Nvidia's level to begin with. So Nvidia continues to retain that 80% while AMD remains unchanged with 20%. It's interesting that despite being more competitive than ever before, RDNA 2 has seen some of the lowest market share in Radeons history even after the Crypto hype has ended. Goes to show when charging Nvidia prices while only being competitive in Raster but falling behind in many other features does in fact mean most people aren't willing to buy your product over Nvidia.

I think one reason is that NVidia is flooding the market, which makes is more difficult for AMD to get a shoe in.

Here in Luxembourg (and close-by in Belgium), finding an AMD GPU is an impressive feat, even from e-tailers. Alternate.lu for instance has currently 103 different GPUs for sale; but only 5 of them are from AMD, and even then, 2 of those are just RX 550 and the other ones are much more expensive than in other countries (for instance, 6650XT at Alternate.lu: 536€, Mindfactory: 399€ (same price as cheapest 6600XT, which isn't available at Alternate)), while the 6500, 6700 and 6800 are totally unavailable. In other words, I need to import an AMD GPU to get one either at all or for a cheaper price.

The other reason is notebooks. How many notebooks have you seen with AMD GPUs inside outside of the APU? I haven't seen a single one lately, and Notebooks is where the bulk of the GPU sales are these days with the shrinking Desktop market.

I went to notebooksbilliger.de to check and could find a grand total of 12 Laptops with RX 6000 discrete GPUs. for comparison, most quadro cards have more available laptops than off of the AMD ones together.

That being said, AMD could also be at fault here. Either the laptops are old and not adjusted to the end of the chip crunch, or laptops with the 6700M or 6800M are overpriced compared to NVidia Laptops with 3070 or 3080 chips inside; with one exception all laptops with a 6800M (or 6800S) cost 2000€ or more while you can get the same laptop with a comparable NVidia GPU for at least 200€ cheaper by now.

Well imo it more so depends on the consumer demand than anything. If the consumer wants a certain product that they are willing to wait for, they will wait for that product and retailers will secure shipments for it. For example when Ryzen 5000 came out vs 10th gen. Ryzen 5000 was very high in demand along with the shortages made it very hard for people to get their hands on it for a good 6 or so months. 10th gen from Intel on the other hand was readily available... Yet when you looked at the sales charts and what not, what you saw was Ryzen topping the carts everywhere. The reason is Ryzen 5000 was worth waiting for because of all the advantages it had.

The issue with Radeon is that most people wouldn't actually chose it over Nvidia because it has less features. People see Nvidia has the GPU to get and because majority are not demanding to get Radeon GPUs whether it be on desktops or laptops, the retailers are not going out of their way to secure shipments. You can especially see this on the depreciation of the value of cards. During the crypto boom, both Nvidia and AMD cards were priced very high but now you see Radeon cards being significantly cheaper. I seen 6900XTs go for cheaper than 3080s but why do you think that is? It's not because AMD wants to make them so cheap, it's because not enough people are buying them. And if not enough people are buying them, retailers are not going to secure shipments for them.

Last edited by Jizz_Beard_thePirate - on 05 September 2022