No_Name_Needed said:
JWeinCom said:
The thing is they're really not that similar. They're definitely more similar than under Vince, but incredibly similar is a huge stretch. It's like, chicken pizza is closer to pepperoni pizza than mushroom pizza is, but it's still very different, so that someone who dislikes pepperoni pizza might enjoy a chicken slice or vice versa with no hypocrisy involved.
So, unless you have examples of people specifically saying they disliked AEW because of long term storytelling and then saying yay WWE for long term storytelling, you're just kind of manufacturing hypocrisy.
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Alright if you prefer, very similar not incredibly similar. But I'm not manufacturing hypocrisy, in fact this may be the first time I've heard anyone say manufacturing hypocrisy. People have criticized AEW for the long term storytelling they use among other things, I guessed I should have screen-caped them for this very discussion, too bad I could not see into the future.
Look man if you don't agree me that there are hypocrite fans who crap on AEW and praise the WWE when they do the same (or if you prefer, somewhat similar) things, than fine whatever. I just made a comment that you seemed to have taken personally when I was just making a general observation of how people act online (just to name three; jobbernation, Gareth, Kenny Olivea) when it comes to AEW vs. WWE. If you haven't seen the hypocrisy these and others constantly make, than fine you lucky don't spend much time on social media or wrestling sites.
If you just want to get the last word, than so be it, have it. Like I said I don't have screen-caps of all the online bull and rather move on because I'm definitely not going to spend more time to look for it just to win a argument with someone online, what the hell would be the point in that. The funny thing is in my original comment I actually said it was good for the industry that things were improving for the WWE as a competitive industry is good, but you either didn't see that or ignored that and only saw the negative thing I said.
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Yes, I will take the last word, thank you.
I'm sure there are some hypocrites out there. But, you said that it was "most" WWE fans, on social media, message boards, and writers of wrestling website. Considering the pretty big group of people you claim this applies to, it shouldn't be that hard to find one particular thread, article, or whatever.
At any rate, I simply haven't seen what you've seen and can't show. From what I've seen, people generally criticize specific things about AEW, like a particular long term storyline. That does not mean they generally dislike long term storylines, so if WWE does more long term storylines, they may like the particular way WWE is doing it. For example, if I said I didn't like Liv Morgan's MITB cash in (I didn't) it doesn't mean that I dislike all cash ins generally or that if I later like a different cash in it doesn't mean I'm a hypocrite.
That's what I think is the case here. I think you are falsely equating two things to try to argue that people are hypocrites or to validate AEW or whatever the plan here is. Since I can't speak for everyone on the internet, I offered to explain why I think current WWE and AEW are actually very distinct and why it's perfectly reasonable to like one and not the other. Still a little puzzled why either one of you are acting like this was a particularly harsh response.
No_Name_Needed said:
Runa216 said:
You're very interesting to try and discuss things with because it really does feel like you're the one getting defensive and making things up to stir the pot, here.
Nobody mentioned you but you still responded like someone was passive-aggressively targeting you. Which, while you were certainly an example of someone I thought of that fit the bill, NoNameNeeded absolutely did nothing of the sort and he was the one you were arguing with.
On top of that, You're moving the goalposts here. He and I straight up felt that it was weird that so many people are actively praising WWE for its shift in style and writing when all I can think of is 'man, it sounds a lot like how AEW is now or NXT was in 2016-2020'. And yeah, you noting the shift made me narrow my eyes in your general direction BECAUSE you've been so consistently critical of AEW, yet you still praise WWE for improvement when they make a shift so clearly similar to AEW. Nobody's saying that people HATED AEW for its long-form storytelling, and I don't even know why you tend to be more critical of them (I don't personally claim to understand your thought processes, I just know you criticize them far more often than WWE, and far more often than any other wrestling fan I know).
The observation was straightforward. You complimented WWE on something I felt made them look and feel more like AEW despite you being famously critical of AEW. Why you are critical of them is not something I claim to know and I'm making no claims about, but it does reveal a bias. WHICH IS FINE! You are allowed to be biased about subjective media, I don't know why you keep arguing about it all the time. The general consensus about AEW is that it's very good overall (Hell, a free TV match just got 5 stars, something only like 12 or 16 matches this year has done), yet you are still critical of it. WHICH IS FINE! being critical of something is good, but don't pretend you're 'just telling it like it is' or that you're being unbiased.
I'd give you the same general level of shit if you were trying to tell me Marvel movies sucked but then went on about how great Batman v Superman was. You're allowed to be subjective, but when your opinion goes against the grain of what most people seem to agree upon, you're just gonna have to learn to accept that a lot of people are gonna disagree with you.
I think Halo and Ocarina of Time and The Last of Us are all horribly overrated. I bet every one of those would bring fans out of the woodwork since all three are among the best games in their respective genres/franchises/all time. I don't go into Xbox chats shitting on Halo without bringing a flame shield, just like you shouldn't go into wrestling discussions with your apparent dislike of AEW without similarly equipping yourself.
You are allowed to like and dislike whatever you want. Nobody's saying that you can't. You can and should be critical of things you care about. Nobody's saying you shouldn't. But you also need to better identify when your views are unpopular and stop acting like you're being attacked when the majority disagrees with you. Furthermore, you gotta learn to take a gentle ribbing a bit better. Nothing wrong with playfully teasing the WWE fan in a group that mostly likes AEW now.
And y'all can tease me for not liking Halo, Ocarina of Time, and The Last of Us. I've come to terms with it. You need thicker skin, bro, it ain't that serious.
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Thank you, you said everything way better than I could have.
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You know... that's a really interesting choice of words there. If I had to bet, I would guess he said everything exactly as well as you could have.
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