Runa216 said:
You're very interesting to try and discuss things with because it really does feel like you're the one getting defensive and making things up to stir the pot, here. Nobody mentioned you but you still responded like someone was passive-aggressively targeting you. Which, while you were certainly an example of someone I thought of that fit the bill, NoNameNeeded absolutely did nothing of the sort and he was the one you were arguing with. es. Just like you did, I felt I belonged in the category of WWE fans who were critical of AEW in the past and now praising WWE's product. So, since that position was being challenged, I offered to defend it. Almost like this was a place to discuss opinions about wrestling or something. |
Oh... so you agree that I fit in that group? Great. I agree. Especially as I'm fairly certain in the past Noname has said I find fault in everything AEW does or something along those lines. And I'm the person who literally was just praising WWE directly before that. So, yeah, pretty reasonable of me to think I was either being spoken about either directly, or just happened to be in the group being discussed... So, if either I was actually being addressed or a reasonable person might think it applied to me, don't see anything wrong with addressing it in a reasonable banner.
So, let's review. I made a post about WWE that had virtually nothing to do with AEW. Then one person who has criticized me as a no good AEW hater went, "Oh well it sounds like what you're describing is a lot like AEW." Then "another" chimed in, "yeah those people who have criticized those things in AEW but now like them in the WWE sure are hypocrites". Then when I pretty calmly said I didn't agree and would be happy to explain why the comparison was not apt, you guy(s) were like "WOAH DON'T FLY OFF THE HANDLE NOW!!! CAN'T OTHER PEOPLE HAVE OPINIONS?! I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA!"
Lol. You guy(s) are ridiculous.
Runa216 said:
On top of that, You're moving the goalposts here. He and I straight up felt that it was weird that so many people are actively praising WWE for its shift in style and writing when all I can think of is 'man, it sounds a lot like how AEW is now or NXT was in 2016-2020'. And yeah, you noting the shift made me narrow my eyes in your general direction BECAUSE you've been so consistently critical of AEW, yet you still praise WWE for improvement when they make a shift so clearly similar to AEW. Nobody's saying that people HATED AEW for its long-form storytelling, and I don't even know why you tend to be more critical of them (I don't personally claim to understand your thought processes, I just know you criticize them far more often than WWE, and far more often than any other wrestling fan I know). The observation was straightforward. You complimented WWE on something I felt made them look and feel more like AEW despite you being famously critical of AEW. Why you are critical of them is not something I claim to know and I'm making no claims about, but it does reveal a bias. WHICH IS FINE! You are allowed to be biased about subjective media, I don't know why you keep arguing about it all the time. The general consensus about AEW is that it's very good overall (Hell, a free TV match just got 5 stars, something only like 12 or 16 matches this year has done), yet you are still critical of it. WHICH IS FINE! being critical of something is good, but don't pretend you're 'just telling it like it is' or that you're being unbiased. |
I guess you must not know a lot of wrestling fans then. Last time I posted something negative about AEW, aside from that I personally like WWE's current product better in this conversation, has to be months ago. Find the most recent example. You'll have to go a ways back. I didn't even really say anything negative about them in this conversation despite the obvious bait, cause I really just wanted to talk about WWE.
Which just kind of seems to be your thing now, taking completely innocuous things I say and then ranting about how it's actually some kind of attack against AEW or its fans. Kind of seems like you just had this response loaded in the chamber, and when the bait failed and I didn't actually criticize AEW or get especially defensive, you just decided to pull the trigger anyway. Because this is in no way a cogent response to what I actually said, so it must have been for what you wanted or expected me to say. If I'm wrong, then seriously point out the part of this exchange where I criticized AEW or the part where I got upset at anyone for liking it. Not expecting any evidence to be provided.
With goal posts, show me the posts where I've bashed AEW for something that I'm now praising WWE for. Again, I'm not expecting any actual evidence, but maybe I'll be surprised.
For the record, I really have no intention of talking about AEW unless someone brings it up in a response to me, or is comparing it to WWE. So, you could post about how much you love AEW until your fingers fall off, I won't say a thing. But, if you want to make it an AEW vs WWE thing, I'm game. If people can take up for their preferred company, I can for mine.
Runa216 said:
I'd give you the same general level of shit if you were trying to tell me Marvel movies sucked but then went on about how great Batman v Superman was. You're allowed to be subjective, but when your opinion goes against the grain of what most people seem to agree upon, you're just gonna have to learn to accept that a lot of people are gonna disagree with you. I think Halo and Ocarina of Time and The Last of Us are all horribly overrated. I bet every one of those would bring fans out of the woodwork since all three are among the best games in their respective genres/franchises/all time. I don't go into Xbox chats shitting on Halo without bringing a flame shield, just like you shouldn't go into wrestling discussions with your apparent dislike of AEW without similarly equipping yourself. You are allowed to like and dislike whatever you want. Nobody's saying that you can't. You can and should be critical of things you care about. Nobody's saying you shouldn't. But you also need to better identify when your views are unpopular and stop acting like you're being attacked when the majority disagrees with you. Furthermore, you gotta learn to take a gentle ribbing a bit better. Nothing wrong with playfully teasing the WWE fan in a group that mostly likes AEW now. And y'all can tease me for not liking Halo, Ocarina of Time, and The Last of Us. I've come to terms with it. You need thicker skin, bro, it ain't that serious. |
You have it exactly backwards. Regardless of quality, the simple fact is that just like Marvel movies are more popular, as they make more money, get streamed more, sell more tickets, etc. WWE is clearly more popular as it has more viewers, revenue, etc. Which is an argument from popularity fallacy anyway, with a side of appeal to authority fallacy with Meltzer's gold stars. I don't get why it matters which is more popular. Whether an opinion is in the majority or the minority, it should be supported by solid reasoning and subject to criticism.
You also got it backwards with regards to what happened in this conversation. As I've already explained. Seriously, look at the post you're actually quoting and explain how any rational person would take that to mean I can't accept people agreeing with me. It's really so weird.
You can challenge any of my opinions you'd like. What you can not do, are things like this. Where instead of addressing what was actually said, you just accuse me of being biased, thin skinned, etc. Call me thin skinned if you want (not literally, since you should be saying literally nothing about my personality), but I actually have been pretty tolerant and have responding by actually supporting my position, usually to no response. And I'm over it. If I say something that's wrong, explain why it's wrong. Leave me as a person completely out of it.
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