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super_etecoon said:
Slownenberg said:

I got NSMBUD and felt it was very mediocre. It was a ton of fun the one time I played it with a friend, but I feel like they've now geared the New series toward multiplayer rather than single player because it was just entirely mediocre playing the game by myself. In fact at one point while I was playing it I loaded up the original SMB on the Switch Online and was like holy hell this game feels so much better than NSMBUD. Definitely didn't feel anywhere near worth the $60 I spent on it. It is the game I have been most disappointed in on Switch compared to expectations as well as money spent. I didn't play the Luigi version though, maybe that is a little better(?), because I had very little interest in playing the game anymore once I beat the Mario version.

Honestly, if they just come out with another game in the New series I would have no interest in it. It'd still sell a lot I'm sure, but I'm counting on a 2D Mario coming out before Switch is done that is an entirely new series (new art style, new controls, new theme, etc). The New series has been on DS, Wii, 3DS, Wii U, and ported to the Switch....they've done that series to death and 2D Mario desperately needs a change. The only time they've ever even done the same style Mario twice in a row was SMB and then the Lost Levels (which of course only came out in Japan), and Galaxy 1 & 2. After 4 different games including two versions of one of them plus a port, spread across 5 systems and 3 generations, that series of 2D Mario feels so tired and stale. I just hope they have a completely new style of 2D Mario game well into development at this point, as it could be the blockbuster game for say holiday '23.

Agreed.  And I think you represent the majority of hardcore Mario fans. The fact is, though, that the casuals are just fine with the way it is and will buy it. So will many of us core and hardcore gamers. In that way we’re kind of our worst enemy for change. But, and you point this out, Nintendo likes to subvert themselves with each sequel, usually. I just hope they’re up to the challenge. Would sure be great to get a 2D Mario that wows us in unexpected ways. That’s certainly been a while. 

Yeah I get that the focus on multiplayer rather than a superb single player experience expands the audience to more casual players so like lots of families pick it up. I'm fine with it continuing to have a multiplayer option, as that part is really fun, but Nintendo has got to realize the "New" theme is stale and they need to mix it up for the next game. It just needs to be fresh compared to the same 2D Mario they've been putting out the past 15 years, which they used to do for every single 2D Mario release.

Anyway, I sure hope they have some sort of fresh take on 2D Mario coming out like next year because it'd be insane for them to not make one of their biggest series on their most popular system ever. NSMBUD was released as a post-holiday afterthought port with little fanfare and it is gonna be a 15+ million seller, so an actual new 2D Mario, especially a fresh game that doesn't feel the same as the last five 2D releases, would sell like crazy.

Side thought: For a few years now I've been wishing Nintendo had like an experimental group of teams making perhaps smaller but experimental versions of their franchises. Like a 2D Mario that is a hardcore platformer for instance. Even just opening up these types of experimental games to indie developers so that indies could bring their unique ideas to popular Nintendo franchises while Nintendo could obviously oversee the design and then market it as its own brand of Nintendo experimental games. That's my dream. Then we could get a really unique and hardcore Mario experience, and I'd love to see this done with Zelda as well. Also this could be how we could get series that Nintendo is less willing to make or have declined over the generations like Fzero, Starfox, Super Mario RPG, Wave Race, etc. Anyway, that'll never happen haha. Unless I can become a Nintendo exec :p