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Pemalite on 20 August 2022
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Captain_Yuri said:

Saw this on gaf:

And rockstar isn't the only one. I know nostalgia can be very blinding but it really feels like 7th gen was the last great era of video games before it all started going down. There's still many great games to be found no doubt but man, the hype and release schedules of games really took a hit and that's even before covid started.

I have literally only bought one game in months... And that was Xenoblade 3.

Just nothing releasing that tickles my jimmies.

hinch said:

I see a lot of back and fourth and both have good points. Gotta say though if someone is mostly using a PC for gaming and watching video's and doing light tasks and has an existing AM4 platform; with a gen 1 or 2 Zen, dropping in something like 5600, 5700X or even 5800X3D makes sense. Rather than going full hog on a brand new build/pre-built that will likely cost much more, a small upgrade to a Zen 3 processor, he/she could spend more budget on a higher tier GPU and would be good to go for gaming for a few years, if not several.

And going for a Zen 2 no matter how many cores doesn't make much sense unless you are using it for work, or specific productivity work loads.. as the IPC and efficiency just doesn't cut it these days, particularly for gaming. Take a 5600X its MT performance is a touch lower than a 3700X but its ST stomps it with more cache per CCX and improvements to latency means for much better 3D performance, and most likely a faster experience in day to day desktop tasks.

Not to mention efficiency gains so lower power bill in the long term and cheaper/lesser cooler required. On other other flip of the coin.. spending twice the amount if not more for a prebuild or Zen 4 build for what seems to be a fairly small IPC increase doesn't seem worth it for gaming if you are already on AM4 and have a Zen 3 ready motherboard unless you really want the best.

Also there is no point in getting a 3600 over something like a 5600. The gains are huge over one generation and the cost is so insignificant to the gains that can be had.. so price to performance it makes little sense in looking at old stuff. Better off finding a good price on Zen 3 (listed above) and the rest on the graphics card, gen 4 SSD or whatever.

That's assuming that they are comfortable upgrading bios and swapping out CPU etc.

It all comes down to price/performance and what your platform supports, once you start replacing multiple components when we near the release of a next-gen platform, it is often better to just wait it out... Even if the next platform is more expensive, the out-going platforms tend to go on clearance/sale often to clear out old inventory.

Captain_Yuri said:

Yes, most of the video is about GPU because the entire video isn't about trying to prove CPUs being a bottleneck when it comes to Ray Tracing but there is a section where DF shows the CPU bottleneck. I also never said it was only CPU bound. I have no idea where you got that idea. The post you are quoting to says "Yes Ray Tracing is primarily GPU bound but DF has noticed that many aspects are in fact CPU bound to the point where a 3600 can't hold 60fps." Ray Tracing is primarily GPU heavy but as DF says in this video and many others, there are certain RT settings that heavily affect CPU utilization as well because of the BVH buidling amongst other reasons. When you enable the setting is called "RT Object Range" because now the CPU has to calculate the reflected Ray Traced Ai and such as well on top of it's normal calculations. Hence why it's a Ray Tracing setting because without it, the CPU doesn't need to calculate it.

And yes, higher core count will help but as DF said, with newer CPUs, you can turn it up to max. You could also do your own research and see how it scales with cores vs ST performance:

Keep in mind that a 3900/3950X isn't the same performance as the 3600. They have double the cores, higher clocks, more cache.

So whilst a 3600 may struggle with maintaing 60fps in SOME instances, the same doesn't hold true for the higher tier parts.

And we cannot forget that Spiderman is only one implementation of Ray Tracing, there is always an exception to the norm... Having a lack of scaling between a 3600 and 3900 and even the 5800X3D just shows how GPU bound and not CPU bound that game is.

Keep in mind that going from 61fps on the 3600XT to 73.5fps on the Ryzen 5800X3D really isn't making your case.
Is it worth buying a new motherboard for an extra 12fps? Or would you be better spending that money on a better higher-tier Ray Tracing capable GPU which will give you a larger return on your investment in regards to framerates in pretty much all games?

Captain_Yuri said:

Sure but in the scenario we are talking about, 5800X3D is the obvious answer cause otherwise, he may need to upgrade is RAM if he went with any other CPU among other issues if he goes with Ryzen 3000.

You don't have to upgrade your Ram.

No one is discrediting the benefit of the increase in cache, but there are games that will still not fit inside that cache pool... So there would be benefits in some "rare" circumstances that having dual rank AND 3800 mhz AND CL14-14-14-14 would be a big benefit still.



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