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mZuzek said:
snyps said:

High jump boots are not double jump boots (double jump is stupid). High jump feels incredible, double jump feels fucking dumb.

It’s a fps, it’d be better if it act like one. Tank controls with lock in do not enhance the immersion. Dual analog controls have lasted 20+ years for a reason.

I enjoy 2D and FPS, but Metroid could (and should) have become a 3rd person 360Ëš Camera game (akin to Ninja Gaiden Black). Mario and Zelda both went 3rd person.

The last time we had a 3D Metroid was what, 15 years ago? Prime 4 has been in development hell for years and we’ve never seen footage.

I haven’t played Mercury Steam’s 2D games but I’m sure they’re awesome. I’m just not in the mood for 2D Metroid, but I’ll get around to it. They do look great. 

I'm sure they made it a double jump on the 3D games because it helps with first-person platforming, which by nature is difficult to get right. You don't have a clear view of your surroundings and it's weird to see where you'll land, so having a double jump makes it a lot easier, whereas a high jump would have led to some really frustrating gameplay. That said, even without the double jump, Prime has very good platforming for a first-person game.

Dual analog controls were far from being the norm in console FPS games in the early 2000's, they were just doing what was normal at the time. In the Trilogy version, all games control closer to a dual analog mode, only the right analog is instead done with the pointer. It's safe to assume Prime 4 will have dual analog controls.

Metroid went 3rd person too, it was called Other M. You can play that one and be thankful for the awesome Prime series we got instead. Sure it loses out on the platforming aspect compared to the 2D games, but it makes up for that in atmosphere and immersion which were also always a key aspect of the series.

Yeah it's been 15 years. Retro's been making the game for well over 3 years now and the last time we've seen anything from them was a Donkey Kong game released over 8 years ago. There is definitely reason for concern.

Metroid Dread is awesome, you should play it.

You make reasonable and emotionally satisfying points.

 But have you ever played an FPS with high jump? I can only think of 2. Halo CE hacked with dev tool access and Morrowind. While your right that high jump makes platforming much harder, it also makes it more satisfying. Holding jump to fly through the air brings an exciting moment. So what if you miss and land in the lava, you jump out and shoot for the landing again. What’s more Metroid than that?

 Nintendo was trying to be different and kudos to them I guess. The tank lock on controls are unique and they work well. Still, common, every other console fps game  before and after uses dual analog, and for good reasons, it’s intuitive and the has the amount of challenge. Locking on is ok optionally, but Primes controls are so unnatural that locking on is 100% required to play. I’d rather aim and earn a few well placed shots than lock and spam. It’s totally un-Metroid. 

Other M had a sue-do 3rd person mode. It was not done right. Maybe Metroid can’t do it right no matter what, because not a lot of 3rd person shooter platform adventures exist. I think and feel that it can if it’s given to a developer that’s done it before and done it well. Honestly, I’m at a loss here on this one because I can’t think of any dev who has succeeded at this. Gunvalkryie but that was far from perfect. Can you think of one, help me out lol?

Yeah I was witness to Metroid skipping the n64. I’m already conditioned toward accepting that I won’t get what I wanted from Metroid. When they showed the splash logo for prime 5 years ago, I didn’t feel any excitement. In my opinion, there is no proof that a 3D Metroid is even in development right now. At this point, I almost wish they would sell the IP to Sony or Microsoft. 

I totally would love to play the 2D games now. I definitely will. I just had a weird injury that made it hard to play games for a while. Now I’m better but I just don’t have the incentive to invest in a switch or 3DS atm. Those two games are firmly marked on my to do’s list.