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Eagle367 on 13 June 2022
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JuliusHackebeil said:
Eagle367 said:

Way to not read what I said at all. First of all, just learn what sharia is seriously.  I wrote it out for you. It's misunderstood so damn much. It's not a damn legal framework, it's a personal moral code. The legal framework is fiqh and it's a whole damn thing all on its own. And I said Muslims in the US are less radical than Christians in the US. Read what I wrote. And yes data shows that Muslims in the US are more progressive than Christians in the US. A problem of interpretation means that there are some harmful interpretations. That's it. Did you not read the part about reactionary elements? I talked about wahabism? Did you not read what I wrote at all and just commented based on some buzz words you saw and plucked out and then some skimming around those buzz words? Seriously read what I wrote and then discuss it.

If you want specific problems related to Islam, talk to an expert in Islamic studies. There are schools of Islamic studies all across the world. You are far too ignorant of Islam to comment about problems specific to Islam. You misunderstand the basic terms as is like Sharia.

There seems to be a funny misunderstanding.
You think I don't get Islam. But it actually is the quite reputable pew research center that just does not get it. It is their numbers I provided, not my personal ideas about Islam. I wish pew research center would finaly listen to you about how sharia is just a personal moral code and not a legal framework. Because if they did, they could also tell the tens of thousands of muslims they polled for their survey. They could tell them that Eagle367 has the one truth for Islam hidden away here at vgchartz. They could tell all those people from Afghanistan, Iraq, Malysia, Djibouti, Palestinia, etc. that more than 80 % of the muslims who live there should read your comment and finaly get that they should not want sharia as the law of the land, because it is just a personal moral code.
But until they do I suppose we have to grapple with the reality of the situation. And that situation is that hundreds of millions of muslims around the world want Islam to be the basis and deciding factor of their legal system (I even did not write the word "sharia" this time, I hope that helps). I think it is a weak argument to just say that people like that (the big majority of the countries I listed) have it wrong. They are in fact a big part of the global muslim community. And they should be treated that way. Their beliefs should be taken into account when talking about Islam. So I take them into account. But you don't seem to. You seem to close your eyes to the fact that hundreds of millions of muslims around the world want Islam to be the basis and deciding factor of their legal system. But this is what is going on. What do you do with this very simple fact? Write another comment that is just deflection? Because I really wonder who is not reading whos comments here.

88 % of Malyan muslims say they want religious judges to decide family and property disputes.
81 % of Afghani muslims say they favor corporal punishment for crimes such as theft
89 % of Pakistani muslims want stoning as a punishment for adultery
86 % of Egyptian muslims want the death penalty for apostasy.

This time I even bothered to provide a link: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/#_ftnref6

This is not a problem of some harmful interpretations (as you wrote in your comment that I have read). This is mainline thinking in many different Islam-dominated countries around the world.

And sure, these countries are poor and have bad infrastructure, bad education, high crime rate, etc. This seems to also be one of your points: "The bad things happening in a country stem from it's poor state, not from there being Islam." -But how is it that so many Christianity-dominated South-American countries do not live in the stone age where they favor corporal punishment for theft, want stoning for adultery, want religious judges to decide family and property disputes, and want the death penalty for leaving Christianity? These are dirt poor countries with high crime and many problems of their own. But there seems to be a unique set of problems just stemming from Islam as well, no?

Ok now we have entered bad faith territory and I can't proceed further with this. Also some reactionary bs as well. Why were Christians of the 11the century so regressive meanwhile the most progressive people of the time lived in the middle east? And you think south America hasn't had its share of bad positions and politics?  And you do know pew just does polls right? It doesn't ask for definitions and clarifications. It just asks a question from people and the people answer. Pew fir example asks "are you liberal or conservative", it doesn't define what those terms are. So the answers are based on personal bias. So to that effect, people just respond in what they perceive about the terms themselves. The only questions asked are "how closely does your country follow sharia" and "is it good or bad that your laws don't follow sharia". Nowhere is the word sharia defined. So everyone answering that question will respond with their own bias and knowledge of what the word means. Pew is not a good place to look for definitions of things,  they leave that up to the people they poll. Of you can't even understand that, I have no clue how to talk to you. It is clear you have your own issues to work out regarding islam and this discussion us not going anywhere. You aren't even interested in a discussion or a more informed perspective from a Muslim, you are only interested in your own interpretation and you don't seem to want to move away from this interpretation of things. Have fun blaming Islam I guess. Eh



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