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Captain_Yuri said:

I hope so but so far, Zen 4 doesn't look very good. Ever since Ryzen 5000, AMD has been doing a lot of wrongs than rights and Zen 4 seems to continue that trend.

I am not basing RDNA3 on leaks, I am basing it on AMD's official announcements or more so, lack there of. I was hoping they would be like, significant Ray Tracing uplift or something for ML but there isn't. Remember how little amount Ray Tracing got mentioned during RDNA 2 launch from AMD? RDNA 3 feels similar so far.

I would like to be proven wrong on both fronts and maybe it is too early. But I really hope Zen 4 doesn't turn out to be AMD's rocket lake in gaming.

You this is all from their financial stuff day. They only talk about what's to come that will keep the money coming and why they think they manage to do it.

For real, deep info about their products, we'll have to wait until they do their conferences and detail every part of it, just like Nvidia does.

And yes, AMD has taken a lot of wrong decisions since th launch of Zen3 & RDNA2, but most of them have revolved around the price and availability, not the hardware itself.

Not just financial day but the slides they showed yesterday. But yes, I agree that it's too early to tell for sure. I was just hoping AMD would lay the Zen 4 concerns to rest but after showing 8-10% ipc increase, for me, that made things worse. And if they are doing this on purpose just to show the real performance later, then it's also very dumb of them and unprofessional. My biggest fear is they are focusing on stomping Intel in the server space while coming out with "good enough" CPUs in the consumer space instead of pushing the boundaries like they did in the past. But we will see.

And no, there were a number of products that AMD has released where the hardware itself weren't very good. 5600G was slower than 11400 if I remember correctly let alone 12400 while limiting you to PCI-E Gen 3. 6500XT had only 4 lanes of PCI-E gen 4 and 4GB of Vram and it lacked several decoders that even their iGPUs have. If Nvidia and Intel can produce great budget tier products, so can AMD which in fact they did prior to 5000 series.