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the-pi-guy said:
cyberninja45 said:

OK

We have established that the U.S. cannot follow other countries. It is your right to bear arms in the country. Its the SECOND Amendment for godsake. It's almost like the right to life.  I bet countries that ban or infrige the right to life problably "solved" alot of problems human make with great success.

So knowing you cannot remove or infringe this right, but they have mass shootings that happen practically nowhere else but in these completely unnesseccary gun free zones or zones with low arm bearing..and there is no right to gun free zones in the constitution(actually goes agianst the constitution,so probably relatively easy to do politically). Therefore remove and discouraged gun free zones everywhere possible. At least remove them and see that happens.

And please dont make the argument that being gun free has nothing to do with it. We'll see what happens.

>Its the SECOND Amendment for godsake

Amendments can be changed.

The right to arms has limits that most people recognize. Felons for example have no such right. 

The government can make changes to amendments, and the supreme court has reinterpreted the constitution at different times and came to different conclusions about what the second amendment exactly means.  

Most importantly, very few countries ban guns outright. Some countries like Norway, Sweden, Canada own quite a few guns.  

Even Australia which supposedly banned guns still has quite a few guns.  

This is the problem with this country. We are so unwilling to bend even a little bit, to even acknowledge basic facts, that even basic, common sense regulations are as scare mongering as full gun bans. 

We can't even get basic universal background checks, we can't even get mental health funding, because of nonsense scaremongering. 

And again, a lot of these supposed gun free zones are not gun free zones. Many of them still have security guards and police officers that are carrying guns. 

Exactly these people hinge their argument on an outdated piece of paper that made sense at the time.

It was written at a time revolvers and rifles were the norm, not guns that fired 40 rounds in seconds. I am sure if we had high powered weapons back then, that would have been excluded as common sense says you don't need to fire like a lunatic spraying bullets to defend yourself.

And you are right countless changes have been made in America and by many countries to keep up with modern times, so this should really be no different.

No one is saying ban guns, just ban the semi automatics and create a licensing requirement. It is clear why people feel so strongly against it in the US, because they know most of them wouldn't be deemed responsible enough to own a gun.