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Captain_Yuri said:

JEMC said:

It's worth posting Greymon's tweet regarding this new specs:

I'd be surprised if AMD has managed to achieve the planned performance with lower specs, unless those things clock like crazy.

I also find the numbers of chips surprising given how they're supposed to be used: Navi 31 for three 79xx cards, Navi 32 for two 78xx and one 77xx cards and Navi 33 for the rest. It looks like they're putting all their eggs in the extreme high-end, which isn't good at all for the rest of us.

Personally I think he's being a bit too optimistic with that tweet as there is now a 3072 core deficit but we will see.

If I had to guess, either they are having issues with MCM design or...

*** Puts conspiracy hat on***

Lisa and Jensen sat on a family dinner table and discussed how silly the core counts are getting and instead, discussing a duopoly. We saw this generation that Nvidia beating AMD by a small margin in Raster really isn't that bad of an issue for AMD. They upped their margins from previous generations and made plenty of profit. So the plan could be that Nvidia continues to take the crown with the 4090 but at crazy high prices like 3090 while 7900XT is only a bit slower but for a lot less price. Then their 4080 and 7800XT and below can battle it out.

Cause otherwise and assuming the rumours are true, a 4080 being on AD102 should be able to beat Navi 31. But that's not necessarily a good business move for Nvidia because that would diminish the reasons for getting a 4090/4080 Ti. Nvidia I am sure wants people to spend the big bucks for the absolute best performance. And AMD can continue to sell a lot of GPUs because GPUs will always be in high demand as long as they are competitive. And they leave their super high core count GPUs for the workstation users.

I think you should ask for a refund for that faulty hat.

They're not making secret deals to keep their status quo. They didn't do it in the past and they won't do it now because there's little to gain and a lot to lose.

Also, we don't know if or to what extend will crypto f*ck with the demand of the new GPUs, like it did with the current ones, and that means that neither AMD nor Nvidia will know how well will their cards sell until they're up for preorder, and at that point it's too late to make any changes. Besides, both would love to brag about having the best card.

Also, we shouldn't really give rumors so much importance. Can the 4080 be powered by the AD103? Maybe, or maybe not. Maybe it's like you said and the chip is too expensive to launch it in a card for less than, say $1,000, and Nvidia has been forced to scrap that in favor of the lower model.

Just like maybe AMD has lowered the specs of its chips, or maybe the first ones were never really the target, but the configuration of the theoretical max. cores they could have that AMD never intented to achieve, because they took into account defects and other factors... like leaving room later in the gen when yields would be better to launch more powerful cards with more cores enabled.

As I said yesterday, we shouldn't really give these rumors that much credibility until we're close to their reveal.