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ConservagameR on 22 April 2022
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Doctor_MG said:
ConservagameR said:

I think it's literally both. If MS anticipated 8th gen would go mostly if not full online, or if they could force that, then grabbing as much market share as possible would have been of upmost importance. This would explain why they wanted to basically force you to find a way to get online so you could be on XB One, and at the same time, be locked into their ecosystem where they didn't have to be too generous. Since that didn't work out, look how more open and generous they've become.

The biggest PS3 problem almost has to be the entry price. Most console gamers are casual consumers and many of the purchases are made by the parents, who don't want to spend any more than they have to as long as their kids will still have fun. Value doesn't mean much to most once the asking price is just too high. Since that didn't work out, look how they solved the price problem with PS3 Slim and every console since.

Yes, in general, the closer the major competitors remain in terms of market share and profits, the more it will benefit the gamers, and yes, when any company is asking for it, they deserve to pay for their negative actions so they become more reasonable or so they don't do it again, period.

Bold 1: : "if they could force that" that is exactly the anti-consumerism I am talking about. There was no need at the time to force an always online connection. 

Bold 2: Most early adopters are neither casual gamers or parents. In fact, Sony was pretty famous for going after the over 20 crowd in comparison to their contemporaries. 

Bold 3: I'm not stating they deserved higher sales. I'm stating that, in comparison to the Xbox One, PS3 had a value associated with its higher price point. Xbox One had kinect to blame for its expense, PS3 had blu ray functionality, PS1, PS2 BC, and wifi out of the gate. In comparison, I can see why PS3 was more costly. 

As far as I remember, Sony planned to bundle a camera with every PS4 at first, but by E3, had decided not to. Sony may have figured a $400 price point without the camera was better than $500 with it, which would've been the right move considering that's what XB One did and it backfired. MS also knew Sony had purchased Gaikai for cloud streaming at the very latest by mid 2012 when it was officially announced. These are just a few of the reasons that MS may have assumed Sony would go even more entertainment beyond PS3 and more even more online. If you're XB, the last thing you want to allow is for PS to get a head start. MS saw how valuable the lead was with PS2 vs XBOX and 360 vs PS3. So from that perspective, MS really wouldn't care too much about online anti consumerism because that's what they may have thought Sony was going to do. It's also possible MS didn't care about Sony at all and made all these decisions on their own accord. It's hard to say exactly which is correct, I'm just offering another possibility that led to the same outcome, but with slightly less greedy intentions.

This is true. Early adopters are more hardcore. I think I may have been incorrect in saying the price was the biggest factor, but price would be a close second. Thinking it through more, I'd say the 365 day head start the PS3 gave the 360 was the biggest problem. Now if PS3 launched alongside 360, the sales gap likely would've been much smaller. Once you gain a lead and momentum it takes a heck of a lot for the competition to overcome that. PS3 was slowly able to, but the biggest momentum shifter was when they launched a much cheaper Slim model due to not only manufacturing advancements but by also removing BC. Something the casuals don't care near as much about as the hardcore.

Well if Sony did scrap the camera bundle idea for PS4, that pretty much proves your point. The PS3 no doubt offered better value than XB One, especially since that was in 2006, but it's hard to say if it was a better decision or not based on the launch and outcome vs PS2. XB One launched alongside PS4, so that's much easier to compare than 360 to PS3 with the year long launch gap. Nobody can really say if PS3 launching alongside 360 would've made a huge difference for certain, we can only make an educated guess.