JEMC said:
Captain_Yuri said:
I think we seen the biggest weakness of PC gaming which is the fact that due to it's openness, when a certain tech starts to boom really hard like Crypto, there isn't much anyone else can do to stop it. And considering the major governments are no longer considering banning crypto but instead, regulating it, it will be something that we will have to live with. Even mining is legal if you pay taxes...
With that being said, I do think that if you time it right, you can get a PC gaming GPU for a good price. Like we are almost at a point where GPUs are about to reach their 2020 MSRP and for $400, you can get a 3060 Ti which would last you an entire gen. The question then becomes, do you commit or wait and see for Lovelace? The theoretical performance uplift should be huge but unlike Ampere launch, a lot of people will be ready this time so it may be harder to get one. And those that won't be able to get one will remember what happened with Ampere and buy a 3000 GPU instead and those will be harder to get. Thus the cycle continues.
Personally speaking, if you are on Pascal or earlier and you can't commit to time to be that is required to find a new GPU, buying Ampere even when Lovelace is around the corner really isn't the worst thing in the world. Because while you might be able to get a better GPU for the same price if you are fast enough for Lovelace, it's also better to have a RTX GPU now than to have your GPU stop working at the worst time possible and pay scalper prices.
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Just to be clear, when I wrote that you could only get a 3050 for that price, I meant it.
I did a quick search and right now, you can only get a 3050 for 400 € or slightly less here in Spain. The cheapest 3060 I've found is around 430 €, a Gainward Ghost card, and when it comes to the 3060Ti, it's impossible to find for less than 540 €. And the situation isn't any better with AMD.
If I have to wait until they reach MSRP, it will be the day before Ada/RDNA3 launch.
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hinch said:
Captain_Yuri said:
Lol I hope it's not true but I wouldn't doubt AMD continuing down it's greed path next gen. We have seen x8 affecting performance of low end cards already if they use PCi-E gen 3 and many people are on PCI-E gen 4 that I doubt will be upgrading anytime soon. So putting x8 on a 6900XT performance class will absolutely hamper performance for many people that are using PCI-E gen 4. Ironically if you buy Alder Lake S as those come with Gen 5 PCI-E, it will be a better pairing than getting Zen 3 assuming the rumour is true and you want to get RDNA 3. Not to mention, who knows how Direct Storage will interact with it as well.
But this is the new AMD, where it's margins first, customers later. You want the privilege of being able to use the full potential of your GPU? Upgrade to Zen 4 or pay more to get a x16 GPU! I'd love to hear the excuses that AMD fans will make then. Ray Tracing? Who needs that? DLSS? Gimmick af, rebranding existing tech and calling it FSR is good enough! PCI-E lanes? Don't worry about it! Shat memory bus? Infinity Cache is good enough! Terrible Encoder? No one streams anyway! RTX Voice? Who uses voice chat? Hardware acceleration for Pro software? Just buy Apple instead! As long as I have my Vram and power efficiency, that's all I need!
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Yeah, its not a good look tbh. Its like they intentionally gimped it to upsell for the their new stuff (Zen 4+mobos). And AMD fans will still suck it up. Despite 'only' losing a few percent performance from going x8 on PCI-E 4 motherboard its still a shitty move.
Honestly leaves a bad taste in consumers mouths and doesn't help AMD's reputation in the GPU front. They are already way behind Nvidia in market share and its easy to see why. So many feature sets completely missing or way behind the competition.. as we get inferior cards from AMD on top of being more pricey. I digress. Their CPU department has also made questionable choices, with only now them releasing low end CPU's for Zen 3 when they're being demolished by Intel from Alderlake. It just reeks of greed and complacency when they have competitive products available.
Should this be true I really want Lovelace to completely destroy this in Raytracing and the next generation of DLSS because this shit is depressing after a crap couple of years of GPU shortages and well the pandemic we're still getting shat upon lol.
I mean 8GB, X8 PCI-e just isn't good enough for a mid range card in 2022. Never mind the egregious pricing going on nowadays.
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Yea their budget CPUs are the worst of the bunch. Like you legit, cannot pair their budget CPU with their budget GPU this gen otherwise you will get slaughtered. Imagine pairing a 5500 CPU which has PCI-E Gen 3 with a 6500XT GPU which has 4 lanes and 4GB of Vram. The irony is pairing a 6500XT with an 12400 and pairing a 5500 with a 3050 will give you the best combination (Not that anyone should ever buy a 6500XT). I remember when AMD introduced PCI-E gen 4 over two years ahead of Intel. Two years!!! Yet here we are in 2022 where Intel is giving their budget users PCI-E gen 4 and AMD is stuck in PCI-E gen 3...
It's insane how the tables have turned. Like there's margins and then there's penny pinching. It's sad to see what happens when the "underdog" is at the top.
