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GoOnKid said:

I am so happy that Ukraine manages to fight back and recoup the land. This is what I was hoping for from the very first day and it warms my heart so much. At the same time I feel some slight remorse for the dead russian soldiers, to be honest, because many of them didn't even know what they were doing in the first place. I don't hate the russians, but I hate the russian government.

Now here's something that I would like to get off my chest. My uncle watches russian TV and he believes all the propaganda. Lately he shared a video of some old dude who was stopped by the police and complained about being stopped. He wore a jacket with the russian and german flag on the back along with the phrase 'friends' and the letter z on the back. The police told him that he should remove it and stop showing this in public otherwse he would face further consequences. Now this man complains how - for no reason at all, supposedly - you're not allowed to show a simple random letter from the alphabet anymore without being labeled a criminal. My uncle believes shit like this. We had a familiy meeting lately and he tried to justify the attack and how this conflict started back in 2014 when the Crimea was having a true and fair poll on where it wanted to belong to. Now when I intervend that the Crimea was stolen and there never had been a fair election at all, the topic stopped and we both knew that we wouldn't advance in this topic either way. Meanwhile my brother responded to this video of this old man and told how some of my brothers' coworkers painted the letter z on their helmets and, surprise surprise, they all faced trouble from HR and were told to remove it immediately. And for good reason, because in this same logic, if you wear a swastika publically, you will face consequences as well. If you show the middle finger to a person, you will face consequences as well.  But but but, it's just a random letter. But but but, it's just a symbol. But but but, it's just a finger. No, it's not. It has a meaning behind it, and this meaning is very well known.

Point is, I don't know how to get him back anymore. I fear he is lost to Putins propaganda just like those russian people that can't believe their own relatives in the Ukraine anymore are lost.

If you google what does the russian letter Z mean (war related) the result is:

"the Russian Ministry of Defence (MoD) posted on 3 March that the "Z" symbol is an abbreviation of the phrase "for victory" (Russian: за победу, romanized: za pobedu)" - google.

So the Russian Z letter, means "for victory".
Its to show support for military victory against all.


Why is it a problem, that there is a Russian, and german flag alongsides each other, with this Z letter?

Does "Seig Heil" mean anything to you?

The german nazi salute?

It translates as "for ensured victory" (greet the comming victory) (again, google it, if you dont believe it).
So its basically means, anything for victory, believe in victory.

This is VERY simular to what the russian's are doing, with their Z messageing.

Its not a coincidence, that the german flag, alongsides the russian one and the Z letter are there.
You cant help but think "nazi" when you see that.

So the policeman was like "your wearing something that screams nazi", can you please take it off.
And your grandpa is like "why are people telling others what they can or cannot wear!?".

The irony is russia are claiming to come to ukraine to remove nazism....

"And for good reason, because in this same logic, if you wear a swastika publically, you will face consequences as well" - GoOnKid

agreed.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 02 April 2022