| padib said: So you want to keep pretending like you know the prophecies to be able to judge them? What do you know exactly? I don't believe you had any proper prior knowledge, or direct contact with the prophecies (such as reading them in the scriptures) prior to entering into debate with me. Prove me wrong. Go. |
You don't need to know the prophecies to judge them vehemently.
A "prophecy" by it's very definition means to "predict" something that may or may not occur in the future.
Any rational thinking, logical person would thus discard such garbage for a more evidence, logical based approach.
For example... You can make a different, random prediction/prophecy every day, eventually probability mathematics will win-out and you will eventually end up being correct.
Doesn't mean the prophecy is correct however or is coming from some "special source of truth" that is pertinent to the prophecy... Those need to be judged on a different set of merits.
It's all a game of chance. Not truth.
| padib said: Despite your lack of belief in something recorded historically in a way that is more trusted than Julius Cesar himself due to historical and archeological evidence, you concede that nobody has ever cheated death. Speak to sundin |
No religion has evidence to backup it's assertions. Period.
We know Julius Cesar lived due to...
- Caesars written works on the Gallic and Civil Wars in which he participated.
- Extensively documented by historians during his life.
- Monuments and coins bearing Caesars likeness and name being ubiquitous from the era.
- Without Caesar, the entire historical timeline of the Roman empire ends up being a rubbish mess.
- Caesars namesake carried on through his heirs.
- Acknowledged by competing/enemy empires of the era and also written in their historical works.
- Caesars Temple to signify his remains and personal belongings/achievements. (Cremated.)
| padib said: However you're not speaking out of knowledge since you don't know the prophecies, and I know this because in order for the end times to be possible, Israel must be a nation and has only been one for around 70 years, for nearly 2000 years the prophecy was not ready and impossible to be fulfilled. It's just one example, if you are genuinely interested I will offer more. |
The "end times" will happen eventually. It is a part of life.
If we humans don't royally screw the planet, the sun will eventually turn into a Red Giant and roast everything.
Nothing lasts forever.
But for thousands of years, Theists have been arguing about an "end time" coming.
How many thousands of years worth of chances are you going to give them? Eventually a prophecy that is as vague and wildly applicable as that will eventually turn out to be correct due to how the universe functions... Completely separate to your non-proven God.
| JWeinCom said: To put it simply, religion evolves. The tactics that have caused people to believe in these things have been honed for millenia, if they hadn't been the religions would have died off. At no point was it ever based on rational epistemology or evidence, so those things aren't going to work for many people. |
Well.. Arguably, religion doesn't evolve. Peoples interpretations of religion evolves. Well some.
There are some denominations that stand-by a literal interpretation of the Bible, including all it's hate, death, violence, misogyny, homophobia and cruelty.
Once it was normal for women to serve men, for the LGBTQI community to be chastised by conservative Christians... But the interpretation of the Biblical text changed to accommodate those issues.
| padib said: Remember that the people marvelled and follow the beast after the event. It's a person who was known to be absolutely dead and people were astonished that he came back to life by some kind of cheat. Yes revelation is written in images, but to someone who wants to understand the images, it's possible. Don't forget that these are future events that appeared in a vision to a person from 2000 years ago. |
No. It's not possible.
Because once your prophecies are proven incorrect, they just get "reinterpreted" and the cycle begins again.
People have spent THOUSANDS of years constantly telling people the "end times are cometh". - Here we are.
| padib said: When in history apart from Christ has any human cheated death properly speaking? That they fully died, were decomposing and revived, to a point where people can't believe their eyes? Also, don't forget that if you take the pieces together, some possibilities are impossible. How would we be looking at a war general that is a leopardbearlion? He is referred to as him, someone against who war can be decalred, but is too powerful that nobody would dare. He is a leader of a region of the world. The problem is that if you take pieces out of context and are not familiar with the whole picture, it's like trying to make sense of a movie after only having seen a single frame. It will never work. |
There is no evidence Christ fully died, decomposed and was revived.
There is no evidence Christ was a divine individual or the Son of any kind of God or a God himself.
But I am going to chime in here... Because what the fuck do I know about death?
I have done road crash rescues where a car was turned completely into a chunk of solid steel... Where the passenger walked away without a bruise... And the driver was like a crushed tomato... With no identifiable remains.
I have scaled down the side of high cliffs and held onto a woman for 12 hours, keeping my hand on her wound to try and keep her alive while she bled out all over me.
I have fought the largest fires in the planets history... And see how it destroys everything in it's path, except for a small home with a family inside... Survived entirely by chance.
I could keep going, but I think you get the gist.
People cheat death all the time... It's not divine, sometimes it's chance, sometimes it's training, sometimes it's PPE, sometimes it's preparation.
| craighopkins said: Worldwide vaccines and on children. this is the conditioning before they have us quantam entangled to artificial intelligence..Know as mark of the beast warned in the Bible
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You just did a word vomit without understanding what the words actually meant and their implications.
Quantum Entanglement (And I will dumb it down as much as possible...) is where two particles are "connected" in a way, so that one action performed on one particle, effects the other particle, irrespective of distance... That means, observing one particle will tell you the result of the other particle.
Think of it as more of a "network cable" between two points in a way.
For A.I it doesn't really mean much, nothing we haven't seen now over shorter distances via the Internet or Ethernet cable.
| craighopkins said: The bible says antichrist will be revealed after the restrainer is removed. I believe those who have their faith in Jesus will be raptured to the lord. And then the antichrist will showup. He eventually has everyone take the mark of the beast. People who refuse the mark will get their head chopped off.
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The Bible is a book written by man interpreted, translated and altered from the original Abrahamic texts... Which is also the same texts that forms the Islamic Quran that Muslims follow and the Torah that the Jewish follow.
All the same stuff, just a different perspective.
I.E. The Bible has the word "Homosexual" in it, which as a word has only existed for a few hundred years, yet conveniently ended up in a book that is thousands of years old? Common. You can do better than this.
Now the fact that you assert that ONLY those who have "faith" (Which by it's definition is blind belief without evidence...) are the only ones who will be "saved" and the others... Well. They get less than an ideal ending... Is just your typical coercion of others by using the power of fear and threats. - Which is a powerful tool to bend people to your indoctrinated ideology. It's blatant bullshit.
If your "apparent" God is willing to subject people, people who may have saved lives by stopping a fire from burning a home down, cutting a person out of a vehicle, parent donating an organ to save their child and more... To eternal torment, damnation, torture and "get their head chopped off" because they won't worship them?
Then that is not a loving, fair or just God and thus your God doesn't deserve recognition or respect... Let alone followers.
I am happy to live an eternity of torment, my conscience will be clear.
| craighopkins said: 2025 I believe they will have worldwide patches or vax that will connect u to artificial intelligence. Instead of being connected to God they will be connected to the beast through quantum entanglement.
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What you believe is irrelevant.
People believe all sorts of rubbish, like the world being Flat.
What matters is the evidence.
We aren't at a technological level where Quantum Entanglement can be leveraged in such a way as you describe.
| craighopkins said: Bible says Satan will dwell in the Holy place and declare himself to be God in the tribulation period. Are bodys are the temple of God. Soon Satan will connect hiself to the people who get the mark of the beast
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The Bible is the claim, not evidence.
I don't believe in Satan anymore than I believe in your God.
| craighopkins said: Crypto currency will be used because those who take the mark will use crypto to buy and sell. Thats why it says in the bible those who dont get the Mark wont be able to buy or sell
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The Bible also says stupid shit like...
We should cut off a woman's hand for defending her husband. - Deuteronomy 25:11-12.
If your Brother dies, you need to have sex with his wife and get her pregnant. - Mark 12:19
God commit genocide and murders everything to make the world less violent. - Genesis 6:11-13.
Let's not forget things like incest, slavery, killing of children and more that the Bible promotes.
It's not a "good" book or a "good" God.
Not to mention the Bibles entire timeline of how the Earth was created and life came to be, completely and UTTERLY contradicts the evidence we have now.
I.E. The Big Bang, Evolution and so forth.
The Bible also does not, will not and can not ever explicitly mention "cryptocurrency" otherwise it's just another rubbish alteration to fit an agenda... You are just trying to shoehorn rubbish to make your belief system more relevant to the current day.
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