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Bofferbrauer2 said:

JEMC said:

Weren't there some rumors earlier this year that Zen4 processors would feature an IGP? That could explain the extra power of the new chips that would go, mostly, for that. The thing is that I don't remember if those were the rumors that were proven false or not.

As for the leaked performance of Alder Lake... well, it's not great, but I think that this kind of hybrid processors will need help from MSoft, with an update to Windows that helps with the threading and such. We'll have to wait until it launches to see if MSoft launches an update to Win10 that increases the performance of those chips.

What concerns me most is what's on the outlook after Alder Lake.

Alder Lake uses 8+8, it's successor uses 8+16 and then 2 gens later we're supposed to be at 8+32.

What kind of normal consumer would need 32 Atom cores with it's 8 high-power cores???

And will games by then still get by with 8 cores/16 threads or will they be able to utilize more than 8 cores by 2024/2025? Because if they do, then only having 8 big cores could become quite some bottleneck to the gaming performance.

Yeah, so many small cores makes you wonder WTF is Intel thinking, specially now that they make GPUs and will want a CPU that can take advantage of all its power.

But well, maybe they know something we don't.

By the way, the Gigabyte leak confirms that Zen4 will have integrated graphics:

AMD Zen4 Ryzen CPUs confirmed to offer integrated graphics
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-zen4-ryzen-cpus-confirmed-to-offer-integrated-graphics
Upcoming Ryzen CPU series based on Zen4 architecture will all offer integrated GPU by design. While this does not mean that literally all CPUs will have iGPUs enabled, it does confirm that the mainstream Zen4 silicon will be paired with graphics for the first time. Thus, the GPU will no longer be exclusive to the Ryzen G-Series APUs.

The confirmation arrives from the leaked documents that were obtained through the Gigabyte hack. A compatibility chart for socket AM5 processors was published by Chips and Cheese. It lists three types of AM5 processors, all based on Family 19h (Zen4) microarchitecture, with on-chip graphics.