| Machiavellian said: Come on, you are in the middle of the ocean. Lets not act as if you have the same issue any other nation has. |
Correct. We have a natural border, but one thing I learned from my Diploma of Leadership and Emergency management is that you take an all-hazards approach to an issue, so you can apply a set of principles in one location to another.
Essentially, if you can secure your border, you can dissuade illegal immigrants from making a potential dangerous trek and putting their lives at risk. It -is- about life.
| Machiavellian said: 51K is a drop in the bucket for the amount of traffic that come in and out of the US within one day, hell, I would say in 2 hours. |
Whilst yes, 51k is a small drop in the bucket comparatively, you also need to remember Australia's base population is only 25~ million, which comparative to the USA, is also a drop in the bucket.
USA is operating on a much larger scale than we are on everything here.
But the record speaks for itself, we solved the issue.
| Machiavellian said: Also, from what I have read, Australia has a huge drug problem based on population. |
Interesting that you didn't take per-capita statistics into account with the prior point...
However, USA definitely beats us in drug prevalence.
Opiates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_prevalence_of_opiates_use
Marijuana: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annual_cannabis_use_by_country
Cocaine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_prevalence_of_cocaine_use
Do we have a huge drug problem? Absolutely. But still better than the USA.
Our issue is that we have a land area roughly the same size as contiguous USA, but with a population that is 25~ million verses 328~ million.
That is allot of land-area to hide shit in for local manufacturing/growing.
So it isn't a border issue, it's a localized issue. - And we are working on it.
I cover the entire region 6 area as a first responder which covers about 188,000 square kilometers/116,800 square miles and in about a year, the Police might get a pallets worth of drugs for me to burn, sometimes two.
Different scales.
But you can still take the same all-hazards approach as it's scalable.
| Machiavellian said: As stated, Australia is not the US and trying to make it seem as if they are the same is an overstatement of the size in population between the two and the amount of traffic of populated cities within the 2 nations. Its not apples to apples. |
You are correct that Australia is not the USA... And I am absolutely 100% glad it is not.
Just secure your borders and save lives, because this issue has been going on for decades where we solved it a long time ago.
| sundin13 said: Except Australia is a fucking island, my guy. What are you trying to prove? No shit it's borders are more secure than America's. It's only real neighbors are fish. |
That it can be done.
Ocean or not, people still crossed it. Allot.
And that is why we implemented the Pacific solution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Solution
| sundin13 said: My point stands that the focus of Republicans is misguided and would not address the most pressing issues. And if you want to address issues like the dangers of an uninsured, undocumented population, a lot of proposed Democrat reforms would help with this, such as Universal Healthcare, improving the asylum system and aiding in improving conditions in Central American countries. " |
I am fully supportive of Universal Healthcare, I have enjoyed it's benefits my entire life.
I also believe it should be a fundamental human right.
I'm not a republican nor a democrat remember.
I also believe the USA should implement Gun control, statistics have proven how successful it is.
| sundin13 said: The fact is, Democrats are presenting real solutions to a lot of immigration related issues, while Republicans are yelling "BIG WALL! BIG WALL!", taking the most braindead approach to immigration and spending a ton of money to miss nearly the entire fucking problem. |
My point is that the shit-flinging between the Democrats and Republicans needs to stop, it's getting immature at this point.
The *real* solution is likely somewhere in the middle which brings in aspects from both sides of the political divide. - The wall will absolutely help, but it is only -one- tool, not the entire solution.
Which again... Is my point. The left-wing and right-wing here eventually settled on the Pacific solution as the right solution for our issues, but it brought forth key aspects from both the left and the rights political mandates.
Plus the cost of the wall should ultimately be redundant anyway, especially at the moment.
One of the best ways to stimulate the economy is to invest in infrastructure/nation building programs, which this walls falls under. It's jobs.
| Bofferbrauer2 said: I can provide you with a counter-example: When the Schengen-area was created, Luxembourg got easy access both to the Netherlands (for people to go buy weed when it was still highly illegal) and to the sea (for dealers to ship in the drugs they want to sell). With the open borders and no checks whatsoever, you would think drug use went up, but it actually went down for years after the creation of the Schengen area despite the access got much easier, both for clients and dealers. |
What other influences were at play? Was there an increase in wages, job availability, education and general standard of living?
People living in poor conditions tend to be more prone to drug use as a recreational tool.
However, drugs aren't the only issue that illegal immigrants bring in, this is just nitpicking at an aspect... But I will absolutely look into the case-scenario you mentioned.
| Mr Puggsly said: You don't prevent immigration just by watching the borders per se. Actually throwing people out when found in the country is also worth considering. But even violent criminals manage to avoid being thrown out. There are countless examples of illegals being arrested over and over again until they do something truly heinous. Universal healthcare doesn't exist now. We need to create it for illegals? Is that in the budget? I see trillions of spending and still no universal healthcare. Again, "big wall" isn't the only aspect of controlling illegal immigration. Enforcing many existing laws could also help. The democrat solution also seems to require spending a lot of money and I'm not sure how it benefits the country as we see it now. |
This was part of our policy here.
People are less likely to "make the trip" if they are only going to be turned around on arrival.
People smugglers earn thousands by smuggling people in, that business model tends to collapse when their customers get turned around and sent back home.
And smuggling people, is a business. A very lucrative one.
-Universal healthcare shouldn't discriminate, doesn't matter if you are tourist, traveling from overseas, illegal immigrant, you should be able to walk into any health clinic and seek the assistance you require, no questions or bullshit. - It needs to be quick, effective and efficient... And ultimately (the dream idea), world wide.
Yes those people will add costs to the system... However if the system is working appropriately, the total cost of healthcare for the *entire* nation should be lower anyway.
Healthcare should be a fundamental human right so people have the opportunity to succeed in life, not become a financial issue.
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