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Bofferbrauer2 said:

Captain_Yuri said:

So as GPU stock is coming back and CPUs has been in stock for a while now, we should probably do some recommendations as the prices start to normalize. This will be mine feel free to make your own!

Upper Mid ranged to Enthusiast:

Ryzen 5000 + Nvidia GPUs

- I think it's hard not to go this route. AMD's 5000 series CPUs smokes everything Intel has to offer while giving you an upgrade path into Zen 3 Vcache refresh. From 5600x-5950x, it's hard not to go AMD CPUs if you have the money.

- While Nvidia GPUs aren't in the same dominating position as they once were, I think it's hard not to go Nvidia GPUs as well. At 4k, Nvidia GPUs dominate in Raster. At 1440p they are able to trade blows but usually slightly behind 6000 series in Raster on average. But you get a ton more features:

-- Significantly faster Ray Tracing performance as tons of Ray Tracing games are continuing to come out
-- DLSS
-- ReBar (SAM alternative)
-- FSR since it works on any GPUs
-- Superior Nvenc codec
-- RTX Voice/Broadcast
-- Wider support of applications that use Cuda
-- Support for both G-sync and G-sync Compatible monitors

So similar to how buying a 5700XT was a mistake for many in retrospec as Turing will be getting all the next gen goodies while the 5700XT will be left behind in many areas, I think it's better to skip RDNA 2 and wait for RDNA 3 if you don't want to go with Nvidia as the performance uplift of RDNA 3 will alleviate a lot of the shortcomings of RDNA 2. While RDNA 2 does have a number of benefits, Nvidia simply as more and will age better imo. Just be sure to Skip the 3070 Ti and the 3080 Ti if possible.

Low to mid range:

Intel + Nvidia

In some ways, recommending Intel as a low to mid range build does put a smile to my face cause it shows how things can change if you don't innovate. The i5 11400 costing at $182 is the best performing 6 core 12 thread cpu you can get for it's price. AMD sadly doesn't have anything to offer that is nearly as competitive. The 5600G not only costs more but doesn't give you pci-e gen4 and performs worse. Pair that with a 3060 Ti and you will have a fap worthy setup without breaking the bank. Hopefully AMD can come out with a good alternative in the GPU space at the very least as I don't like the value of the regular 3060.

Low spec gamer:

5600G

Now if you are on a very tight budget and can't really afford a dGPU, that's where a 5600G becomes a good value. It smokes all the iGPUs on the market while beating a GT 1030.

Well, for the GPU, I'd say it still depends on price and availability right now. Still not every card is available, and even less without significant markup.

As for the Raytracing, it's normal that the early games all ran much better on NVidia. After all, they are programmed with the tensor cores in mind and use NVidias own system instead of something hardware-agnostic like DXR. Of course anything that's not built that way would suffer a lot in terms of performance. I think we'll have to wait and see late this year or even next year to truly see how well RDNA2 and Ampere compare in raytracing when no platform-specific software is getting used.

Mind you, I'm not saying that AMD would beat NVidia, far from it. I'm just saying that the gap is smaller than you think it is.

Yea but I don't think we will have to wait too much longer for the prices to go back to normal based on the trends. There's a bit to go before going back to normal sure but I think we should be at a good place soon enough.

But this is also part of my point. If people should wait a year and see how it goes, they may as well wait a year and get RDNA 3 instead of assuming it will get much better for RDNA 2. It's never a good idea to buy a GPU based on future promises or assumptions. We have seen this play out during GCN countless times already. Plus we have seen games like Metro Enhanced Edition where it is very well optimized for both Ampere and RDNA 2 but Ampere still takes a very noticeable lead, especially at the tougher scenes.

I think the gap will be significant enough that Ampere will continue have a very noticeable performance lead even a year from now in Ray Tracing compared to RDNA 2. RDNA 3 vs Lovelace though... That could be a very different story.