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mutantsushi said:

Right, but the whole point of that bullshit discussion strategy is not critiquing or counterproving objective facts, it's inventing some vague strawman position that  they can allege isn't playing out as it was supposed to. I don't know who is supposed to be supporting this phantom opinion, but we are supposed to ignore that and just "feel" that he has disproved it, which is what bullshit statements like "Most likely, internal data shows" aim to insinuate... Which is just farcical when you pay attention to it ("ooh, he said data so it's solid objective reality, nevermind it's just his baseless supposition..."). The entire scalper line is just absurd, like what is his actual claim? That scalpers are sitting on several million PS5 which they haven't moved? Sorry, nobody would get in the scalping business if that were true, obviously the vast majority of scalped consoles have already been sold on to gamers who willingly paid the extra price. Scalping probably never took more than a weeks worth of consoles out of circulation, that just  happens to b something with impact when the total supply/demand is constrained. Even his conclusion ("PS5 may be in serious trouble") is a joke, it's both already hedged as "may be" yet isn't even an objective falsifiable statistic in the first place, it's just some ungrounded meaningless sentiment.

And in reality everybody I see seriously discussing the topic is referencing public sales figures, which are certainly not fabricated because that would be a crime for no real benefit. The reasonable position could be acknowledging that the whole "we believe in generations" hype was just that, but that's not a change from lastgen or since modern gaming era where crossgen was normalized for early years.

You can't have an honest discussion with some posters on here who will argue in bad faith. Its worse with bad news since hot takes will be dialed up another notch lol. Just go back and look at the thread about the Jason Schreier article. A bunch of users ended up jumping the gun without reading the entire article. Even in this thread, some are trying to get a "gotcha" moment for Playstation fans, when the majority of us haven't switched our stance on cross generation development despite Sony misleading us.