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smroadkill15 said:

Personal experience doesn't mean much when I'm talking about a fairly agreed upon idea that Xbox live was a better service. That like me saying, GWG is better than PS+ offering because I find the games to be more my taste. It's an impossible argument to go against because it's personal even though vast majority would agree that PS+ offers much better games. GFWL was terrible, and the fact I didn't know about that detail or forgot was probably due to fact hardly anyone used it. Either way, MS knows the PC community isn't going to pay for Xbox live so I'm not sure why you even think this is something that will happen later on. I'm not going to talk about the PC stuff anymore because it's off topic, and same with discussing stuff 2 gens ago. 

I don't know how personal taste equates to experiencing technical difficulties with a paid system while not on a free system. Anyway that was early 360 years, in the past. However FS2020 is still tied to XBox live (have to sign in with my gamer tag) which creates unnecessary hoops, while the online experience in FH4 was also far sub par (lots and lots of lag, people appearing/disappearing all the time) which GT Sport suffers far less from. But OK, that's PC stuff.

Perhaps it all works fine on an actual XBox. My point is, MS isn't giving me any confidence in going back to gaming on XBox. Which is why I would prefer MS to stop trying to be a jack of all trades and focus on one thing to execute well. Maybe that's what they are doing now with XBox. The way FS2020 is set up just doesn't give me the idea they're taking this stuff seriously. (The last patch finally reduced the initial download size back to 83 GB, it had bloated to 170GB download for a 102 GB total game size. Sure it's PC stuff, but don't go touting smart delivery and then launch one of your flag ship games with the worst installer in recent history)

Games for Windows Live is still an issue btw, lot of games are stuck with it and no longer compatible on Windows 10 without having to jump through hoops. Again touting BC on their consoles, yet leaving their own GFWL games behind. It's not just a few
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Games_for_Windows_%E2%80%93_Live_titles

Anyway, maybe you can see why PC gamers are skeptical when it comes to XBox PR.