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ice on 01 June 2021
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Dallinor said:
ice said:

I wouldn't call costume packs released after a year the MTX standard we know today, but regardless my point was we can't blame MS for what other companies chose to do. Sony also supported the Online pass for games for a short while, where you had to buy a $10 MTX to play online if you bought it used. Thankfully that didn't stick but why are people trying to dredge up old ass shit just to justify their hate towards a brand? You can do that to either side. I'm saying to cut the bullshit.

Things were 'dredged up' because you made a categorically false statement. This was pointed out to you. You've now tried shifting the goalposts, scrapping the barrel for a counter and on the other hand telling people to cut the bullshit and drop it. There's no consistency whatsoever.

What has brand or emotions got to do with anything?

This isn't even an argument. Its just an endless series of fallacies at this point.

lol No

You were completely right about MS using mtx, I was thinking about MTX as they're classified and used in today's games, that was 100% my bad. But I was using it as an example that companies make their own choices, and that point still stands (and was always the point). I wasn't trying to expose Playstation. The "dredge up" comment wasn't even towards you or about the topic of mtx. 

Brand/Emotions got everything to do with this thread, clearly. People feel very strongly about MS/XBOX.

idk what am supposed to argue about, I didn't say you were wrong. Am I supposed to deny facts? But there are nuances, and a lot of people wouldn't consider that mtx in today's world. I was explaining why I didn't include those, certainly not shifting any goalposts as my point was the same.

Just because MS charged for online doesn't mean Sony and Nintendo had to follow suit, my point was that if PS did MTX first does that mean other companies had followed them? You should be holding each company accountable for their own actions. That was literally the purpose of my original statement.