The Israeli-Palestinian Crisis in mainstream media is getting exposure as ethnic cleansing

[dark_gh0st_b0y]

Pemalite said:

Eagle367 said:

You guys can talk about religion all you want but this issue is not one religion. It's not judaism or Islam. It's a simple case of settler occupiers and the occupied. The natives suffering and the settlers living it large in the land of the natives

It is entirely based around religion.

Israel believes it is "entitled" to the land because it was given to them by "God" as per the Bible.

dark_gh0st_b0y said:

again, this kind of approach is simply wrong

as I said before, the world's deadliest humanitarian tragedies of all time have been carried out by atheist - 'free thinking' regimes, namely Nazism and Communism, with ~100m deaths each

Let's start with Nazism shall we? That was a war based around religion.
On one side the Nazi's were engaged in antisemitism to wipe out the Jewish religion.

The Nazi's also leveraged religion in order to undermine Judaism.. Hitler was also propped up as a "New Messiah".

Religion was a very big part of that war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Religion

Communism is an economical doctrine... And one could argue full communism hasn't been achieved by any country yet, not even China which has Capitalistic aspects underpinning it's market based economy.

dark_gh0st_b0y said:

...and some of the world's greatest humanitarian efforts have been carried out by religious organizations, e.g. the Catholic church being the world's largest non-governmental provider of education and medical services

the world needs to get rid of extremism

Yes the Catholic Church gives allot, no one denies that.
They essentially have a "Store" in every single town/city/suburb, in every single state, in almost every single country on Earth... And you have people donating regularly... In return they offer various services that aids in indoctrination to keep the donation cycle going, it's a a lucrative business.

But Religion isn't a requirement to help others. - I'm not religious, neither is anyone in my Brigade, my job revolves around saving lives daily.

The Catholic Church can help so many people because they have a large revenue stream from it's paying customers, Governments also give them a free pass on things like Tax (Which I think Church's should pay for) so they have the resources to do it... And often Governments will "Donate" hoards of cash to assist various populations.

But don't kid yourself, there is some abuse that goes on in the Church. - They will often spend up big on campaigns (I.E. Same Sex Marriage) in order to try and turn voters to their agenda, they are very much entwined in American Politics... Heck even Australian politics but to a far lesser degree thankfully.

For example during last years catastrophic bushfire season here, Australians handed over hundreds of millions of dollars to various organisations, many of which were religious in order to assist us Firefighters with basic needs like Food and Sanitation... But also to assist those who needed to rebuild/recover from the fires as well.
Instead the religious organizations "Held back" (And continue to hold) hundreds of millions of dollars arguing "They will spend it later". - As you can imagine, it did result in a shit storm and deservedly so.

There are also plenty of non-religious organizations which help more than any singular church... The United Nations supported World Food Program is one such example and is the largest humanitarian program in existence.

You also have the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation as well.

Point is, religion isn't the requirement to help others, nor is it a requirement in humanitarian efforts either.

a war based around religion!? no way, the persecution of Jews was based on them having huge wealth and influence in Germany while being a minority, in short, nationalism

no, that is half the story - referring to like 1920... Hilter pretended to support Chirstianity in his very early years in order to get to power (he was smart), Goebbels wrote in April 1941 that though Hitler was "a fierce opponent" of the Vatican and Christianity, "he forbids me to leave the church. For tactical reasons."

Although he was prepared to delay conflicts for political reasons, some historians note his intention to eventually eliminate Christianity from Germany, or at least reform it to suit a Nazi outlook. (again making sense, his nationalism was not exactly compatible with love and compassion)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler


yes there is some abuse in the church, but you don't judge the church based on the 2% and ignore the 98%, do you? not to mention abuse in the general public is estimated to be as high as 10%

as depressing as it may be, abuse and evil in general will always exist, anything that holds power draws in people with bad intentions, and this holds for religions as much as it does for governments


of course in 2021 religion is not a requirement for charity, I never argued it was

then again, 2021 people tend to be VERY ungrateful... Jesus Christ, where does the charity mentality come from? Love your neighboor as yourself? Who is the most influential man of all time? What is the most read book of all time?

try to imagine he never existed, and see how the world would be different for the worse

https://wealthygorilla.com/most-influential-people/

I could write a book on why the Christian faith is good, from a personal level to a global level

then again, we are getting off-topic  :P