Dulfite said:
1. The information I typed above is almost exclusively information I found online and not my opinion. Some opinions are thrown in, sure, but most of it was typed in an effort to simply find and share information found. 2. I understand more Palestinians have died than Israeli's, but how do we know which side did more of the killing? Hamas had over 300 (and counting) missiles accidentally land in Palestinian districts. Regardless, it is tragic. 3. If President Biden truly thought there was no proof Hamas was in the building, do you really think he would be bucking his own political party by declaring Israel had and continues to have a right to defend itself? Apparently Israel showed the President clear evidence they were in the building. This isn't a Republican/pro-Israel president. This is a president absolutely pushed by the left to hate Israel and yet, somehow, he concluded they were in the right (which is a pretty good indication the evidence was overwhelming). The only other alternative is that President Biden incompetently handled the situation. So either Biden is incompetent or he received overwhelming evidence that Hamas was in the media building using it as a shield. As to which one it is, none of us will probably ever know as that will be classified I assume? 4. Those non-native Palestinian Jews absolutely were natives of the land centuries ago before being forced to migrate due to persecution. And they continued to experience persecution wherever they went and still to this day do. They have not once in thousands of years (since the Babylonian captivity) experienced a time where they had land of their own that they weren't being forced out of or persecuted in. Disregarding what they have been through will only lead to a lack of empathy and understanding. No people group on this planet has been through as many hardships for as long lasting as the Jews have. 5. It is sad that those people are being forced out of their homes for decades. But it is also said Israeli's were forced out of their homes for thousands of years. 6. I don't know the context of how tear gas and rubber bullets were used or when. I only have what the internet tells me, because I wasn't there. All I know is they absolutely used less lethal methods than they could have. I'm not saying what they did was right, I'm just saying it could have been considerably worse if they wanted. 7. Hamas has no power? Hamas has a lot of power. They know the entire world is watching. They also know countries like Iran are just itching to finally have the justification to try to wipe out Israel. Hamas knows if they can start something, then play the victim while Israel does more and more, that they could finally achieve their long term goal. 8. Why would Israel send actual physical troops in to capture/kill Hamas leaders? Militant/terrorists groups are known for blowing themselves up, along with other innocent bystanders, even using detonators attached to children, to get their way. Then they celebrate these murders by calling them martyrs and act like they did nothing wrong. Why would Israel want to jeopardize the lives of not only their soldiers, but of Palestinian civilizations by sending troops in? Yes, Palestinian civilizations died in this and that is tragic, but a lot more would have died had they done a infantry invasion into that building. 9. Those ancient miseries have never been over for the Jews. They know their history. They know for thousands of years all it takes is one strong group and boom, they are displaced or treated like slaves. For thousands of years they have lived like that, and you say "history is irrelevant"? If that is truly your perspective, I'm not sure responding back and forth will be worth it because that is an extremely narrow squinting of the eyes when looking at history. |
Let's make a few things clear. We 100% know Israel has done more of the killing. The people that monitor how many have died also document how they died. Also you can't absolve yourself of blame by saying you found it online. You chose to carry the info forward so you have blame for that.
I never said history is irrelevant, I said the specific history you are talking about is not relevant to the current issue. The issue of thousands of years is not relevant to the history since 1948. Also you don't seem to grasp the concept of conversions. The non Palestenian Jews has ancestors that converted to Judaism. Hell that is how any religion starts and grows in numbers. Many of their ancestors weren't from the land now called Israel and Palestine. And many of the Palestenian Muslims and Christians had ancestors that were Jewish and those are the natives you are talking about. All the descendants didn't stay Jewish and all of the Jews don't have their origin in ancient Judea.
Number 8 is just supposition on your part without any relevance to reality. Israel has never tried it so we don't know what Hamas would do. And Israel would do it to prevent civilian causalities. If Israel actually gave a damn about innocents, it would send ground troops.
With regards to 9, The European Jews were suffering what you described before this Israel/Palestine mess the British created. The Europeans should have given the Jews equal rights and a home inside their own nations instead of taking over the homeland of the Palestenians
And yes, Israel has ALL the power. Israel are the occupiers, the oppressors and the de facto rulers of the entire region. They can have peace if they want and they can even destroy Hamas if they want. All they have to do is end the occupation of Palestenian land and the Hamas of today won't have a reason to exist anymore because the reason they fight is to end occupation.
And yes president Biden will for sure just support Israel. US has done that for decades. 75% of Congress said it would unconditionally support Israel. Biden has called himself a Zionist in the pass. And it's not like US hasn't done or supported straight up oppression in the past. They aren't the good faith actors Americans like to pretend their government is. Biden doesn't support Medicare for all even though most Democrats and republicans hence most Americans support it. So it's not like Biden has never done unpopular stuff.
Just a guy who doesn't want to be bored. Also
