What is your opinion on gaming subscription services?

[Cerebralbore101]

Ryuu96 said:

Cerebralbore101 said:

Ryuu96 said:

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They don't own every PC storefront, therefore windows is not their ecosystem? They own the OS, therefore it is their ecosystem. Just because they allow other storefronts on Windows doesn't mean that Windows is not their ecosystem. 

The PC Gaming Ecosystem is made up of multiple ecosystems, like Windows Store, Steam, Epic Games Store, etc.

In that post he even mentions specifically and separately the "Windows Gaming Ecosystem" in relation to the Windows Store.

From the article...

"We want creators to be inspired to bring their best content to Windows 10, and we want Windows 10 to be the place where gamers come to discover their next favorite PC game. We recognize that Win32 is the app format that game developers love to use and gamers love to play, so we are excited to share that we will be enabling full support for native Win32 games to the Microsoft Store on Windows. This will unlock more options for developers and gamers alike, allowing for the customization and control they’ve come to expect from the open Windows gaming ecosystem."

He's not saying that the Windows Store is it's own ecosystem. If anything he's admitting that Windows as a whole is a gaming ecosystem. 

1. Windows is a gaming ecosystem. 

2. Microsoft owns windows. 

3. Therefore Microsoft owns a gaming ecosystem. 

4. If Windows is a gaming ecosystem that Microsoft owns, then Windows is included in Microsoft's overall gaming ecosystem. Whether or not they have absolute and total control over that ecosystem is beside the point. It still belongs to them. 

So when you say "They're only talking about their own ecosystem" you are essentially saying "They are only talking about Windows + Xbox". 

But they don't have a way to track all spending across Windows. So, even if we incorrectly assume that they mean only their own ecosystem their claim that Gamepass users spend more money than non-gamepass users is relying on a deeply flawed dataset. 

"They don't own every PC storefront, therefore windows is not their ecosystem? They own the OS, therefore it is their ecosystem. Just because they allow other storefronts on Windows doesn't mean that Windows is not their ecosystem."

Not what I said, of course Windows is their ecosystem, but here is what you said about Playstation.

"If Sony owned Windows, then yes we would define Sony's gaming ecosystem as all Playstation consoles + the whole PC platform. Especially if the vast majority of Sony titles were available for purchase on PC."

Why would you define Sony's Gaming Ecosystem as the entire PC Platform? Which is made up of Ecosystems such as Epic Games Store and Steam, you wouldn't, because they don't own those ecosystems.

Again, context, that whole quote and the subtitle above is it literally about supporting Win 32 on the Microsoft Store

Windows is not a Gaming Ecosystem, it has Gaming Ecosystems that exist inside of it though, but you don't even need Windows for some of these Gaming Ecosystems. Microsoft owns a Gaming Ecosystem in Xbox + Windows Store.

I was just thinking about quoting Conina there and mentioning that technically Microsoft doesn't own the entire PC ecosystem because people game on Linux. Defining Microsoft's ecosystem as the entire PC platform isn't 100% correct. It would be far more accurate to define Microsoft's ecosystem as the entire Windows OS + Xbox. 

But that still leaves us with Microsoft's ecosystem being defined as the entirety of Windows, which leaves my argument intact. 

Again, sorry in advance. I didn't think Linux was important enough to bother mentioning until now. 

You say that Windows is not a gaming ecosystem. Phil Spencer calls it a gaming ecosystem. There you have it. From the horse's mouth.