Non-Americans Stunned By American Health Care Costs

[Eagle367]

Mr Puggsly said:

Eagle367 said:

Sorry, but to counteract your point, it's incredibly naive to believe anything USA says.  But Okay.

Now that we have set the propaganda aside, there have been various studies around the world about Cuban healthcare system and how successful it's been. Hell even Obama praised it. Cuba did healthcare much better than most countries, just admit it.

Also you are talking to a guy that wants education for all and for both healthcare and education to be managed in the universal system all around the world. Public funding already funds most of the research in the world already and were it not for public funding, the vaccines wouldn't have been produced so quickly. I also believe in a livable minimum wage no matter what job you do. 

And when I say healthcare is a human right, I believe everyone should get it and I'm talking about actual healthcare, not "access" to it like some Dems like to say. I also think no human should starve to death or die of thirst, so yeah. And every human should have clean drinking water. The point though is that I said profit as the primary motive. And that's what the US as a policy has. Other industrialized countries don't have that. And hey, if socialized healthcare works the best in the world and has been shown time and again to be the best, then of course I'll endorse it and why wouldn't anyone? Is it because "socialism bad" or some nonsense?

Personally I think Socialism is just better than Capitalism. I also think both anarchism and libertarianism are stupid so I'll lay it all out there. But looking purely at healthcare, It can be seen around the world that socialized healthcare works the best if your aim is the betterment of humanity. Splatterings of heavily regulated private insurance companies is a separate discussion from what should be the central system. That requires a new conversation altogether.

Hey, I don't disagree. That's why I am a libertarian, I feel the people in power are corrupt.

I assure you the people who are allowed to observe Cuban healthcare are not given the full picture. I imagine you also believe China has also been honest about covid. Anyway, this is an old but good video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6ZH1ps20WA

Some of the best countries have socialism in some aspects. But lets not confuse what is a capitalist and socialist country. Pretty much every country considered great is capitalist. But I am willing to admit there might be a good socialist country, I just don't know of it and I don't think people are going there in droves.

Sorry but the thing about Cuba just exposes your bias and you will come up with anything to support your conclusion. Also what makes the countries great are things that are either socialized like healthcare or at the very least, don't focus on profit of wealthy people as a primary focus. You can take any example and we what makes countries great and I can guarantee you, those things have nothing to do with Capitalism nor the profit motive. And before you say anything, markets are not exclusive to Capitalism and "free markets" don't exist nor can they exist. There is always regulation and it just depends on who is regulated and how. Capitalism is the employer/employee system of the current world and those things don't make countries great. 

What does is universal healthcare, good public education, worker's rights, economic rights, etc. I don't see any Capitalist practice that makes a country great in the modern world. I'll wait for your example. The most Capitalist country is the US and it isn't great but any standard and it sorta actually sucks. Am underdeveloped country with a Gucci bag. Life for the wealthy is great in the US but not for most people. But do you even get what libertarianism is? libertarians are against taxation for example. They don't like "big" government whatever that is either. They are not fans of social programs. You might want to rethink whether you are a libertarian at all actually.