Non-Americans Stunned By American Health Care Costs

[Eagle367]

Mr Puggsly said:

Eagle367 said:

Oh wow, propaganda against Cuba. Shows you really are an American. Also, there should be no profit motive when it comes to human rights and healthcare is a human right. You shouldn't even be asking "Can I make a profit off of healthcare?" Because even asking that question leads you down the wrong path. And it's not "the better option" it's just rich people who don't care how much money they can throw at a problem to get special treatment. Sorry but government itself isn't bad, taxation on it's own isn't bad either,

Also you are saying the people in power support universal healthcare when that is a lie. Biden said he would veto it, Harris pretended to support it by backed down and a lot of Democrats don't support it and many of them get donations from health insurance companies. Bernie Sanders isn't in power mate, so your initial assumption is wrong to begin with. But any healthcare system where the primary motive is profit will fail. It will make profits for sure, but it'll fail at actual healthcare. The people in power don't want universal healthcare and want to keep making profits for the healthcare industry. That's the issue. The issue is the oligarchy, not the government. The government serving the oligarchy is certainly an issue but the root cause of that is a system that treats wealthy people like the aristocrats of old and thinks having money means your opinion is more valid. 

The issue is listening to idiots like Bill Gates, Elon Musk, etc instead of actual experts. For example bill Gates ruined the vaccine distribution of the world by throwing his force behind the pharmaceutical companies and protecting their patents. Stuff like that is the issue. I guarantee you once US gets universal healthcare, the people will never wanna go back. 

Haha, its incredibly naive to believe anything Cuba says. But okay.

I'm glad we agree, "healthcare is a human right" really just means socialism. I made that point in a previous post.

Eating food and drinking water could be seen as a human rights as well, I might even agree. I am also okay with it being very profitable for some to be in the business of providing food and water. Hence, I fail to see why something like healthcare can't be profitable. Again, even the countries with socialized healthcare tend to have private options.

Education is seen as a human right. But if people want to pay for the less shitty government option we have, that's fine with me. I'm glad they have the for profit option.

I'm somewhere in the middle about healthcare in this country. I would prefer we just move towards making it more affordable and socializing aspects that can bankrupt people. But the state we are currently at leaves me not surprised people just want it free.

Sorry, but to counteract your point, it's incredibly naive to believe anything USA says.  But Okay.

Now that we have set the propaganda aside, there have been various studies around the world about Cuban healthcare system and how successful it's been. Hell even Obama praised it. Cuba did healthcare much better than most countries, just admit it.

Also you are talking to a guy that wants education for all and for both healthcare and education to be managed in the universal system all around the world. Public funding already funds most of the research in the world already and were it not for public funding, the vaccines wouldn't have been produced so quickly. I also believe in a livable minimum wage no matter what job you do. 

And when I say healthcare is a human right, I believe everyone should get it and I'm talking about actual healthcare, not "access" to it like some Dems like to say. I also think no human should starve to death or die of thirst, so yeah. And every human should have clean drinking water. The point though is that I said profit as the primary motive. And that's what the US as a policy has. Other industrialized countries don't have that. And hey, if socialized healthcare works the best in the world and has been shown time and again to be the best, then of course I'll endorse it and why wouldn't anyone? Is it because "socialism bad" or some nonsense?

Personally I think Socialism is just better than Capitalism. I also think both anarchism and libertarianism are stupid so I'll lay it all out there. But looking purely at healthcare, It can be seen around the world that socialized healthcare works the best if your aim is the betterment of humanity. Splatterings of heavily regulated private insurance companies is a separate discussion from what should be the central system. That requires a new conversation altogether.